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2020-02-09 at 5:32 AM UTC
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2020-02-09 at 7:16 PM UTC
Originally posted by -SpectraL Not true.
Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution sets three qualifications for holding the presidency. To serve as president, one must:
- be a natural-born U.S. citizen of the United States;
- be at least 35 years old;
- be a resident in the United States for at least 14 years.
No you're wrong. Natural born citizen means you're a citizen at birth. If your mom was a citizen, so are you.
Else if you were born on vacation or on some military base you wouldn't be eligible for president. -
2020-02-09 at 7:52 PM UTC
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2020-02-10 at 12:03 AM UTC
Originally posted by -SpectraL No, it doesn't say anything about any children, it says to be President you have to be born in America.
- be a natural-born U.S. citizen of the United States;
Where does it say a natural born US citizen must be born in America?
There's three ways of acquiring citizenship:
- through parents whom are citizens
- being born in the USA
- acquiring citizenship by living in America for long enough and taking the test etc.
As far as I'm concerned, either of the two first points satisfy the wording of 'natural born US citizen'. Your citizenship was given to you at birth. You were born with it naturally. In contrast to acquiring it. -
2020-02-10 at 12:11 AM UTC
Originally posted by Splam Where does it say a natural born US citizen must be born in America?
It says it in the Constitution.
This is a direct quote:
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
This means that to be eligible for President you must be a natural born citizen (or became a citizen before September 17, 1787). A natural born citizen means exactly what it says, a person born in America. Nothing is said about any offspring of the person. The plain language of it is the law, not the interpretations of a bunch of leftist retards who like to insert language which doesn't exist. -
2020-02-10 at 12:26 AM UTCwhat does the word natural mean in this context? is that the word that means you must be born in the USA?
I'm reading that as if you're born a citizen, you're eligible to become president. If either of your parents are citizens you're still born a citizen even if born outside the country!
I was born in Canada, but I was born a Norwegian citizen as well. I had two citizenships from when I was born. -
2020-02-10 at 12:29 AM UTCI'm sorry spectral, I'll just end this here and now
The U.S. Constitution uses but does not define the phrase "natural born Citizen", and various opinions have been offered over time regarding its precise meaning. The consensus of early 21st-century constitutional and legal scholars, together with relevant case law, is that natural-born citizens include, subject to exceptions, those born in the United States. As to those born elsewhere who meet the legal requirements for birthright citizenship, the matter is unsettled.[2][3]
If Wikipedia can't settle it, I guess we can't either.
It's actually a really interesting article over how it's been interpreted over the time,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause#Interpretations_by_the_courts
In any case you're wrong. Else Ted Cruz would've never bothered running for president. -
2020-02-10 at 12:29 AM UTC
Originally posted by Splam what does the word natural mean in this context? is that the word that means you must be born in the USA?
I'm reading that as if you're born a citizen, you're eligible to become president. If either of your parents are citizens you're still born a citizen even if born outside the country!
I was born in Canada, but I was born a Norwegian citizen as well. I had two citizenships when I was born.
This has nothing to do with immigration law. It has to do with the requirement for the President to be a natural born citizen, which means just what it says. Natural born means you have to be born in the country. -
2020-02-10 at 12:31 AM UTC
Originally posted by Splam I'm sorry spectral, I'll just end this here and now
If Wikipedia can't settle it, I guess we can't either.
Opinions don't have anything to do with it either, as the plain language of the Constitution is law. It doesn't matter how people would like to interpret what it doesn't say or what their opinion is. -
2020-02-10 at 12:33 AM UTCSo again why did Ted Cruz run for president? He's Canadian.
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2020-02-10 at 12:33 AM UTC
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2020-02-10 at 12:34 AM UTC
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2020-02-10 at 12:36 AM UTCNo it just means you are totally full of shit, as usual.
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2020-02-10 at 12:38 AM UTCIf the courts were to remove a democratically elected president because of a grey zone in the wording of natural born citizen,
That'd be just as crazy as removing Trump for a five minute phone call.
Also the wording there was taken from British law. British law saw foreign born persons as subjects to the British crown, 'natural born citizen' is taken directly from British law and includes subjects born overseas. The original interpretation and current usage both indicate to allow people such as Ted Cruz or John McCain to become president. -
2020-02-10 at 12:39 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra that's some bizarre phrasing; I doubt the intention was to restrict citizenry to people that held it from 1787
They wouldn't even have used the term "natural born", if the intent was to offer the right to any citizen. They would have just said: No Person except a Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President. But they didn't. They used the word, "natural", which means precisely what it says. -
2020-02-10 at 12:41 AM UTC
Originally posted by -SpectraL They wouldn't even have used the term "natural born", if the intent was to offer the right to any citizen. They would have just said: No Person except a Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President. But they didn't. They used the word, "natural", which means precisely what it says.
then why make the distinction at all?
"non-natural born citizens can run for president this election but NEVER AGAIN!" -
2020-02-10 at 12:43 AM UTC
