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Asia’s drug ‘kingpin’ more Hollywood than reality
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2019-12-16 at 1:31 PM UTC
The Asia-Pacific drug trade has a new kingpin, at least according to the United Nations Office of Drugs and Crime (UNODC) and some Western anti-narcotics officials.
https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/12/article/asias-drug-kingpin-more-hollywood-than-reality/
This doesn't make sense to me. I could understand a heroin smuggling ring, or a cocaine smuggling one, but meth?
It's like weed. It can be sourced and manufactured locally by dealers and distributors.
Why would you go to the effort of smuggling vast quantities of drugs out of Asia, where there is the death penalty for such crimes, to your own country, where there are life sentences for smuggling large quantities of drugs?
Further, say you have a ton of meth, that you made in some vacant Chinese factory that is so easy to hide because there is so much shipping and manufacturing in China anyway, and now you get it to an American or European port.
This is a tonne of meth. You can't just, sell it to some shady dude at a bar, like you could with an ounce to a mid level dealer.
You need distributors, who have networks that can move such a large amount of product. These types of networks already exist, such as bikers. They also make their own meth.....
Why aren't they gonna, as individual cells, shake and bake as needed a few ounces from cold and flu tablets? If they get caught it's not the same type of prison sentence as a tonne seized in a delivery van. Also there is storage and redistribution of that meth from a central point. It's a lot to get caught with compared to a few ounces made every month.
So why would bikers do this when they are self sufficient?
Further, who is gonna go in to business competition with a biker gang?
Most imported MDMA is central and eastern European.
See, this international meth trade makes no sense. The risk vs reward is too high and it can easily already be made in country. -
2019-12-16 at 4:46 PM UTC
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2019-12-17 at 4:57 PM UTC
Originally posted by too.dark.to.see Why aren't they gonna, as individual cells, shake and bake as needed a few ounces from cold and flu tablets? If they get caught it's not the same type of prison sentence as a tonne seized in a delivery van. Also there is storage and redistribution of that meth from a central point. It's a lot to get caught with compared to a few ounces made every month.
Shake and bake is retarded and not safe at all, contrary to what a lot of people believe.
Originally posted by too.dark.to.see So why would bikers do this when they are self sufficient?
They're not, and they're not in competition at all. The chinese gangs will make more by having easier access to the main ingredients. The p2p methods can't be stopped, but, even though they're super easy and unstoppable, there just isn't enough people willing to go through the extra steps to do that. It's all over the counter if you go the p2p route, but when you can remove all these other steps from the equation and just use red, I and pseudo, any jackass can put it together. And they really don't need chemists for this, they literally need jackasses that can just follow a recipe. It saves time and effort, which means more money.
Further, who is gonna go in to business competition with a biker gang?
Most imported MDMA is central and eastern European.
See, this international meth trade makes no sense. The risk vs reward is too high and it can easily already be made in country.
Asian gangs are all over, but they're very clever about how they do business. They're much more secretive. You won't usually know when they're around. They tend to own shit, businesses and such, more like a real mafia. The biker gangs are more overt and are good for doing the footwork, and when you need muscle, the biker gangs are great for that.
If your goal was to make as much money as possible, you're going to do some math and that math will tell you that dicking around with cold pills is retarded, you want huge containers full of pure pseudoephedrine, not some retarded ass pills with a bunch of shitty ingredients that have to be removed. That's why they do business in china, at least in part. The ingredients are there in bulk, whereas a lot of the customer base is international.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-12-17 at 5:22 PM UTC
Originally posted by Kuntzschutz If your goal was to make as much money as possible, you're going to do some math and that math will tell you that dicking around with cold pills is retarded, you want huge containers full of pure pseudoephedrine, not some retarded ass pills with a bunch of shitty ingredients that have to be removed. That's why they do business in china, at least in part. The ingredients are there in bulk, whereas a lot of the customer base is international.
This. Also they don't even use red phosphorus anymore because its on a UN watch-list. All you would have to do is buy a phosphorus mine that makes phosphoric acid and have a division that makes high grade pure phosphoric acid with no sulfur impurities and then you can make hydriodic acid in massive reactors in a warehouse in an industrial district in China and nobody will ever notice if the reactor flies across the room and sprays acid everywhere.
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2019-12-17 at 5:40 PM UTC
Originally posted by Kuntzschutz Shake and bake is retarded and not safe at all, contrary to what a lot of people believe.
They're not, and they're not in competition at all. The chinese gangs will make more by having easier access to the main ingredients. The p2p methods can't be stopped, but, even though they're super easy and unstoppable, there just isn't enough people willing to go through the extra steps to do that. It's all over the counter if you go the p2p route, but when you can remove all these other steps from the equation and just use red, I and pseudo, any jackass can put it together. And they really don't need chemists for this, they literally need jackasses that can just follow a recipe. It saves time and effort, which means more money.
Asian gangs are all over, but they're very clever about how they do business. They're much more secretive. You won't usually know when they're around. They tend to own shit, businesses and such, more like a real mafia. The biker gangs are more overt and are good for doing the footwork, and when you need muscle, the biker gangs are great for that.
If your goal was to make as much money as possible, you're going to do some math and that math will tell you that dicking around with cold pills is retarded, you want huge containers full of pure pseudoephedrine, not some retarded ass pills with a bunch of shitty ingredients that have to be removed. That's why they do business in china, at least in part. The ingredients are there in bulk, whereas a lot of the customer base is international.
china is too developed and centralized to be used as an end product manufacturing base.
real people use shithole warzones like burma or cambodia where they can just pay local warlords for safety and security. -
2019-12-18 at 4:08 AM UTC
Originally posted by Kuntzschutz Shake and bake is retarded and not safe at all, contrary to what a lot of people believe.
They're not, and they're not in competition at all. The chinese gangs will make more by having easier access to the main ingredients. The p2p methods can't be stopped, but, even though they're super easy and unstoppable, there just isn't enough people willing to go through the extra steps to do that. It's all over the counter if you go the p2p route, but when you can remove all these other steps from the equation and just use red, I and pseudo, any jackass can put it together. And they really don't need chemists for this, they literally need jackasses that can just follow a recipe. It saves time and effort, which means more money.
Asian gangs are all over, but they're very clever about how they do business. They're much more secretive. You won't usually know when they're around. They tend to own shit, businesses and such, more like a real mafia. The biker gangs are more overt and are good for doing the footwork, and when you need muscle, the biker gangs are great for that.
If your goal was to make as much money as possible, you're going to do some math and that math will tell you that dicking around with cold pills is retarded, you want huge containers full of pure pseudoephedrine, not some retarded ass pills with a bunch of shitty ingredients that have to be removed. That's why they do business in china, at least in part. The ingredients are there in bulk, whereas a lot of the customer base is international.
Okay not shake and bake.
A lab in a shed in the boondocks. With glassware they stole from a local high school.
Why are they going to risk life sentences or death sentences for importing a simple drug like meth when they can make it themselves in more realistic quantities measured not in tonnes?
A local gang of 20 guys, each guy has 5 associates. Everyone buys one pack of cold and flu tablets a month. There's 100 packets. A packet costs $5. No one gets their $5, it's considered contributing to the gang. If they buy two it's 200 packets per month. A organised gang could easily do 1000 packets a month without raising suspicion.
Where's the big financial outlay for the cold and flu tablets? It's not there.
These guys are on a different scale to how you would do it.
Also Chinese gangs, how are they gonna onsell this domestically? The established networks of dealers are biker affiliated at some level in most places.
