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Elite police ‘raptor’ squad went undercover to target radical Hong Kong protesters, insiders say
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2019-11-17 at 10:48 PM UTCPolice all around the world are like this.
You get some students protesting things like freedom, inequality or political representation and the police turn up to contain them.
They assault their intellectual freedom and their dignity.
If a protester takes a stand, the police handbook says this type of behaviour has the potential to escalate to violence (maybe a push or a shove?), so out comes the pepper spray.
Now instead of a push or a shove, their dignity is so affronted they keep their distance and throw rocks, or Molotov cocktails.
This WOULD NEVER HAPPEN if the police were not militarised against people expressing their beliefs. They respond to force with force.
And then, it is labelled as political violence. Aka, terorrism.
These people are terrorists because they threw a rock at the guy who shot at them with rubber bullets, shot at for expressing a political belief.
Police all over the world are like this.
Cops are the problem. This only gets this out of hand because the police inflamed it.
The police are facilitators of terrorism.
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3022457/elite-police-raptor-squad-went-undercover-target-radical -
2019-11-17 at 10:56 PM UTC
“I don’t have a crystal ball, right now the children and us are concerned about our dignity and freedoms - not our lives.”
https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/hong-kong-protests-violence-ramps-up-as-police-and-protesters-clash-again-20191117-p53bee.html
So how to the police address the situation? By brutalising the civilians and assaulting their dignity even further. Police are trained in psychology and mob mentality. They don't want to be friends. They want to be feared.HONG KONG: Hong Kong police on Monday (Nov 18) warned for the first time that they may use "live rounds" after anti-government protesters fired arrows and threw petrol bombs at officers at a beseiged university campus, as the crisis engulfing the city sharply escalated.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/hong-kong-police-warn-of-live-fire-as-campus-protest-siege-12102228
Police have already been using guns on protestors. People have been shot in the street. -
2019-11-17 at 10:57 PM UTClol
as opposed to the 'protesters' burning people alive and firing arrows at police? -
2019-11-17 at 11:01 PM UTCIt's all lies. The Hong Kong riots are really just yet another CIA plot, completely orchestrated by the United States. What they do is scan the world for upsets, and then they hijack them for their own political purposes. The riots start off organic, but then the CIA comes in to fan the flames and undermine the victims and their harassers alike. Are people all really this stupid?The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2019-11-17 at 11:02 PM UTCIt stopped being organic when the extradition laws were shelved and the peaceful protests stopped.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2019-11-17 at 11:04 PM UTCThe police initiated violence on the protestors, who are protesting about their right to participate in elections and be involved in the direction of the society the live in.
The police initiated violence on people to prevent the overthrow of a government that self appoints weirdos to determine the fate of a nation, social norms and social reaponsibilities.
And they are not prepared to hear the views of the people who are affected by these rules.
They are only prepared to hear the views of those who are unaffected by these enactments, and to use guns to ensure their demands are fulfilled. People who advocate cronyism and unelected beaureacracy. -
2019-11-17 at 11:12 PM UTCthat is far, far more applicable to the situation in France than it is in HK. Most of those complaints don't even make sense in the context of what they're protesting.
The short, simple answer is this: continuing to riot (or 'violently protest' or whatever you want to call it) has no positive outcome for HK. None whatsoever. Even if they were somehow successful in seceding from China it'd absolutely ruin the country and its economy.
What these people really want is to maintain their higher standard of living over mainland China, and they're allowing themselves to be used by foreign powers in the hope that the 'benevolent west' will drive out China and keep them fat. Their best-case scenario is getting abandoned like the Kurds in Syria, unable to pay their bills because they no longer have preferential trade agreements like post-Maidan Ukraine. -
2019-11-17 at 11:13 PM UTC
Originally posted by -SpectraL It's all lies. The Hong Kong riots are really just yet another CIA plot, completely orchestrated by the United States. What they do is scan the world for upsets, and then they hijack them for their own political purposes. The riots start off organic, but then the CIA comes in to fan the flames and undermine the victims and their harassers alike. Are people all really this stupid?
I could buy this.
I could believe Chinese intelligence agents organised the anti government groups.
The reason Chinese intelligence agency did this was to assist the national security of countries such as the USA.
So, by doing this, to work with the FBI and CIA, they ensure that China is painted as a monster, not speculatively, but with footage and witnesses, they make it impossible to say nice things about the Chinese government in places where these protests have not been censored.
So, Chinese intelligence agency is working with the CIA to reduce the effect of Chinese "electoral interference" in American society, to say thank you and have a big circle jerk with the EU and USA for their consumer markets which has led to the modernisation of Chinese cities and society. A modernisation that would not be possible if 300 million people were unemployed instead of working in factories and manufacturing. -
2019-11-17 at 11:17 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra that is far, far more applicable to the situation in France than it is in HK. Most of those complaints don't even make sense in the context of what they're protesting.
The short, simple answer is this: continuing to riot (or 'violently protest' or whatever you want to call it) has no positive outcome for HK. None whatsoever. Even if they were somehow successful in seceding from China it'd absolutely ruin the country and its economy.
What these people really want is to maintain their higher standard of living over mainland China, and they're allowing themselves to be used by foreign powers in the hope that the 'benevolent west' will drive out China and keep them fat. Their best-case scenario is getting abandoned like the Kurds in Syria, unable to pay their bills because they no longer have preferential trade agreements like post-Maidan Ukraine.
Hong Kong was a global financial centre before China came along at the handover. It was amazing for banking and finance. It wasn't a backwater.
If these people were successful in removing communist oversight from their nation, it is entirely likely that CIA et al, would ensure the reemergence of Hong Kong as a global success story in order to electoral interference civilian populations all over the world, by showing them the miracle of prosperity that occurs when a country is not influenced by antagonists of the USA.
And no one would understand the miracle was contrived by intelligence agencies making sure that Hong Kong was given guaranteed success in order to turn an entire nation in to a political weapon. -
2019-11-17 at 11:22 PM UTC
Originally posted by too.dark.to.see If these people were successful in removing communist oversight from their nation, it is entirely likely that CIA et al, would ensure the reemergence of Hong Kong as a global success story in order to electoral interference civilian populations all over the world, by showing them the miracle of prosperity that occurs when a country is not influenced by antagonists of the USA.
And no one would understand the miracle was contrived by intelligence agencies making sure that Hong Kong was given guaranteed success in order to turn an entire nation in to a political weapon.
How? And that's not taking into account the massive (ongoing) infrastructure investments and preferential trade agreements it already has with China. -
2019-11-17 at 11:24 PM UTCWhat are these graphs about? They have no heading or elaboration.
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2019-11-17 at 11:27 PM UTCMajor Export Markets for Goods
Major Export Markets for Services
would think you'd be able to extrapolate that they relate to HK's economy.
The question is, by disconnecting from China, what happens to the ~50% (actually significantly more) of their economy that relies on it? How does the CIA make up the shortfall? -
2019-11-17 at 11:34 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra Major Export Markets for Goods
Major Export Markets for Services
would think you'd be able to extrapolate that they relate to HK's economy.
The question is, by disconnecting from China, what happens to the ~50% (actually significantly more) of their economy that relies on it? How does the CIA make up the shortfall?
You would think I would be able to extrapolate that?
I am well versed in this topic.
Being as well versed as I am, your graphs are useless and have no bearing on the history or changes that have occurred in Hong Kong.
This link will explain to you, as a legitimate source, how the Chinese communist party used the goodwill of Hong Kong to try and put communist branded businesses and service providers in to Hong Kong to supplant the established ones, to then show to the world "communist success story".
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-06-06/chinese-giants-are-taking-over-hong-kong
But it didn't work. It fucked the financial industry in Hong Kong. This is why China is overrepresented in Hong Kong service industries in the current day and age. No other reason. Because of attempted "communist success story".
Now you know this, you understand your black belt in Google fu for graphs was missing the overarching concept.
There are lies, damn lies and statistics. -
2019-11-18 at 12:05 AM UTCI don't get it.
Regardless of why, are you trying to argue that HK's economy doesn't heavily rely on China? -
2019-11-18 at 12:08 AM UTCPeople have their eyes on China, but the real battle that ushers in Armageddon is between Russia and the United States. And it's going to happen fast.
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2019-11-18 at 12:08 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra I don't get it.
Regardless of why, are you trying to argue that HK's economy doesn't heavily rely on China?
Hong Kong's current economy is a shell of the former one.
Hong Kong was amazing.
The communist handover led to the communist party trying to install and use communist companies to compete with abd then suffocate the established businesses, to have great pride in showing off "communist success story".
This failed. This is why China is overrepresented in Hong Kong service exports. Because Chicom companies are shit and the only reason they survive is because they are centrally organised to give the illusion of a functional economy. -
2019-11-18 at 12:11 AM UTC
Originally posted by -SpectraL People have their eyes on China, but the real battle that ushers in Armageddon is between Russia and the United States. And it's going to happen fast.
Lol Vladimir Putin.
Ex KGB colonel, continues to be supreme leader of Russia. Political opponents and rival candidates get shot. Friends with oligarchs and others who stole state funds at the collapse of Soviet Union. Public ties to mafia. Does Martial arts. Rides around on horses shirtless.
Result:
Looks corrupt as fuck and seedy to foreign audiences.
Friend of CIA?
POSSIBLE.
Directly or indirectly assisting US national security and electoral interference objectives?
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2019-11-18 at 12:13 AM UTC
Originally posted by too.dark.to.see This failed. This is why China is overrepresented in Hong Kong service exports. Because Chicom companies are shit and the only reason they survive is because they are centrally organised to give the illusion of a functional economy.
So regardless of your silly capitalist-communist posturing, what happens to the bulk of HK's foreign trade when trade with China falls through the floor? -
2019-11-18 at 12:16 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra So regardless of your silly capitalist-communist posturing, what happens to the bulk of HK's foreign trade when trade with China falls through the floor?
If anyone is motivated to make the Chinese economic miracle look bad to international viewers, as opposed to letting things take their natural course, then Hong Kong is the vehicle. -
2019-11-18 at 12:21 AM UTCSo your goal in advocating these riots is to watch HK burn in order to make China look bad. At least you're honest I guess, but you proved my initial point:
There is no possible positive outcome and the people supporting the riots are either idiots or do not have the best interests of the people of HK in mind.
