Did existence begin or is it eternal?

1. 2019-10-22 at 2:42 PM UTC

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   Vitamin G African Astronaut

   Originally posted by Obbe I don't see how those are significantly different.

   
   Define different
2. 2019-10-22 at 2:48 PM UTC

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   Big League Jew Tuskegee Airman

   Originally posted by Obbe I don't see how those are significantly different.

   
   Well for one thing your GPS wouldn't work.
3. 2019-10-22 at 3 PM UTC

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   Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]

   Originally posted by Vitamin G Define different

   
   If they both produce the same result (the world we see around us), what is significantly different about the two scenarios? What would we look at to figure out what it is?
4. 2019-10-22 at 3:08 PM UTC

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   Big League Jew Tuskegee Airman

   Originally posted by Obbe If they both produce the same result (the world we see around us), what is significantly different about the two scenarios? What would we look at to figure out what it is?

   
   Are you fuckin retarded? You literally have the process of inquiry backwards. You have a phenomenon, in this case the universe as we observe it. You try to find what explanation best fits the phenomenon, in this case what cosmology produced it. Are you trying to invalidate the entire field of physics or what? We don't start off knowing what the difference is you worthless halfwit.
5. 2019-10-22 at 3:16 PM UTC

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   Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]

   Originally posted by Big League jedi Are you fuckin retarded? You literally have the process of inquiry backwards. You have a phenomenon, in this case the universe as we observe it. You try to find what explanation best fits the phenomenon, in this case what cosmology produced it. Are you trying to invalidate the entire field of physics or what? We don't start off knowing what the difference is you worthless halfwit.

   
   If you don't know what the difference is, why did you ask the question?
6. 2019-10-22 at 3:22 PM UTC

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   Big League Jew Tuskegee Airman

   Originally posted by Obbe If you don't know what the difference is, why did you ask the question?

   
   Why do you ask any question habibi?
7. 2019-10-22 at 3:24 PM UTC

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   Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]

   Originally posted by Big League jedi To figure out what the difference is?

   
   But why did you present two options if you don't even know how they would be different?
   
   If you just wanted to ask how the universe began, why didn't you ask that?
8. 2019-10-22 at 4:01 PM UTC

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   Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
   286 posts so far you don't know if there is a difference, and you don't know if it matters.
   
   Anything else you want to discuss?
9. 2019-10-22 at 4:27 PM UTC

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   Big League Jew Tuskegee Airman

   Originally posted by Obbe But why did you present two options if you don't even know how they would be different?
   
   If you just wanted to ask how the universe began, why didn't you ask that?

   
   I didn't want to know how the universe began. I'm asking whether you believe it began or if it's eternal.
10. 2019-10-22 at 5:15 PM UTC

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    iam_asiam68 African Astronaut
    the existence of Yah is Eternal for there is no Beginning or End for He is Always.
    
    the existence of the Universe and everything related "Began" (with Both Science claiming Big Bang, and Believers claiming the Voice of God Spoke) and therefore cannot be Eternal.
    
    Prophecy has proven this much and continues to...
11. 2019-10-22 at 5:31 PM UTC

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    -SpectraL coward [the spuriously bluish-lilac bushman]
    Tetragrammaton
    
    - the four consonants of the ancient Hebrew name for God (variously transliterated JHVH, IHVH, JHWH, YHVH, YHWH), that was considered too sacred to be spoken aloud: the word Adonai (Lord) is substituted for this name when spoken by Orthodox jedis, and the vowels of Adonai or Elohim (God) are inserted in Hebrew texts, thus prompting the modern reconstructions Yahweh, Jehovah, etc.
12. 2019-10-22 at 5:53 PM UTC

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    vindicktive vinny Black Hole

    Originally posted by Big League jedi One is based on an eternal cosmology and one suggests a beginning.

    
    no.
    
    you said it yourself if you are not aware of its beginning then its eternal.
13. 2019-10-22 at 6:07 PM UTC

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    Big League Jew Tuskegee Airman

    Originally posted by vindicktive vinny no.
    
    you said it yourself if you are not aware of its beginning then its eternal.

    
    That's why I said it suggests a beginning. Who knows maybe there is just the beginning of the concept of beginning.
14. 2019-10-22 at 6:25 PM UTC

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    vindicktive vinny Black Hole

    Originally posted by Big League jedi That's why I said it suggests a beginning. Who knows maybe there is just the beginning of the concept of beginning.

    
    how do you think somethimg without a beginning is poasible ?
15. 2019-10-22 at 6:59 PM UTC

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    Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]

    Originally posted by Big League jedi I didn't want to know how the universe began. I'm asking whether you believe it began or if it's eternal.

    
    I don't remember.
16. 2019-10-22 at 7:03 PM UTC

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    frala Avant garde shartist

    Originally posted by vindicktive vinny how do you think somethimg without a beginning is poasible ?

    
    
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17. 2019-10-22 at 7:37 PM UTC

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    iam_asiam68 African Astronaut

    Originally posted by vindicktive vinny how do you think somethimg without a beginning is poasible ?

    
    
    
    in my field of Mathematics, my numbers and final project have to be so close to perfect (ZERO), we can literally take a human hair, split it 15 times and then split that. that means, i am one hair split 45 times to being perfect to zero (i shoot for 80 millionths as a tolerance).
    
    ^
    i said all of that because Steven Hawkings claimed if we were just MILLIONTHS Closer to the Sun or Further from the Sun, it would be impossible for Life to exist.
    ^
    that is splitting the ONE HAIR many times according to Hawkings.
    which means, WE ARE in the PRECISE PLACEMENT by GOD to sustain Life. that Precision is too accurate to be an accident, i know, i do that Mathematics all of the time!!
    
    so knowing the Universe and Mathematics are Precise, reveals a DESIGNER/CREATOR who can do things with the Precision to sustain LIFE!!
    
    therefore, the Creator/Designer does not need to begin, but needs to exist. the only thing required a Beginning is the Universe and Life!!
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18. 2019-10-22 at 7:39 PM UTC

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    Vitamin G African Astronaut
    I can't tell if you're joking or are actually arguing that you can prove God's existence mathematically.
19. 2019-10-22 at 7:46 PM UTC

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    iam_asiam68 African Astronaut
    Galileo, one of the Staples, Building Blocks, and one of the Founding Fathers of Modern (for his time) Mathematics, Astrophysicist, Sciences made this claim:
    
    Mathematics, is the Language by which God created the Universe.
    
    Galileo was observing Patterns (every Galaxy looks similar to one another, every star is similar, black hole, it's all in patterns which is Mathematics).
    
    even dating the Universe is Mathematics, how fast we drive, the time itself is Mathematics.
    
    God is easily proven by way of Quantum Mechanics and Higher Mathematics!!
20. 2019-10-22 at 8:02 PM UTC

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    iam_asiam68 African Astronaut

    Originally posted by iam_asiam68 God is easily proven by way of Quantum Mechanics and Higher Mathematics!!

    
    
    Einstein's Relative Theory stems from Mathematics to show relationship from object to the other within the vast Universe.
    
    even the factual oldest Book of the Bible, God speaks about using Engineering and Mathematics (He is specifically speaking Quantum Mechanics) to Job and his 3 friends and asked if they understood any of it?
    
    obviously, they thought we were held by string(s)(rope) hahahaha definitely not by God's Law's, the Laws of Physics (btw) are also Mathematics!!