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The new aircraft carriers do not have a welldeck

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    The F35 is the only option. There is no plan B.

    US military cuck themselves into a retardedly expensive aircraft that's arguably worse than what they already have. Why are other countries actively buying these things?
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    Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country Dark Matter [my scoffingly uncritical tinning]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Well_deck

    A well deck is basically a dry dock on a boat? Why would an aircraft carrier have one?
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    Originally posted by DietPiano Why are other countries actively buying these things?

    they buy it as a protection racket, not really as a weapon.

    they buy american planes, american planes come with american technicians and engineers.

    if other country bomb their bases = bomb american service crews.

    america gets involved.
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    also, nobody needs aircraft carriers anymore when you have ICBMs and airborne missile carriers.
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    aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition
    yeah aircraft carriers are only good for threatening brown countries with no real military
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    aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition
    and making contractors rich I guess
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    Originally posted by aldra yeah aircraft carriers are only good for threatening brown countries with no real military

    "posturing".

    or

    "tableu vivant".
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    aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition
    I honestly think they're more of a liability nowadays. For the last few decades they've been hyped up as the pinnacle of military superiority and naval power, but against modern missiles they're sitting ducks - what would happen to US military morale if they went into a shooting war with Iran for example, and they used a hypersonic missile they'd quietly bought from Russia, China or even India to kill a carrier in the first half hour? If they went up against Russia or China directly every single carrier in the world would be a target.
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    what else do you use to deploy aircraft at a moment's notice overseas? I think the ability to not have to wait for others to go across the planet is important, even if it doesn't make as much of a difference within inter-superpower warfare for strike missions and such
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    Originally posted by aldra I honestly think they're more of a liability nowadays. For the last few decades they've been hyped up as the pinnacle of military superiority and naval power, but against modern missiles they're sitting ducks - what would happen to US military morale if they went into a shooting war with Iran for example, and they used a hypersonic missile they'd quietly bought from Russia, China or even India to kill a carrier in the first half hour? If they went up against Russia or China directly every single carrier in the world would be a target.

    aircraft carriers are the legacy of "air superiority doctrine". aircrafts and fighter jets used to be the only way to achieve air superiority.

    now that we have the kind of telecommunication tech we have today and AI-guided munitions and 1000 megapixel cameras i'm not even sure air superiority is a thing anymore.

    aircraft carriers are good for search and rescue and recovery work tho.
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    Originally posted by DietPiano what else do you use to deploy aircraft at a moment's notice overseas? I think the ability to not have to wait for others to go across the planet is important, even if it doesn't make as much of a difference within inter-superpower warfare for strike missions and such

    you have to ask yourself what are you tryimg to achieve by having that ?

    do you want to do a search and rescue mission ? or attack and bombing mission.
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    Sophie Pedophile Tech Support
    Originally posted by DietPiano what else do you use to deploy aircraft at a moment's notice overseas?

    NATO

    The US could just station whatever arms and armaments in which ever NATO country is within bombing range of whatever country the US is having a pissing match with.
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    "no"
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    Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country Dark Matter [my scoffingly uncritical tinning]
    Getting a rusty old freighter and kitting it out with the kit to launch missiles would be so much cheaper than buying an aircraft carrier.

    Even in WW2 everyone was bitching about how shitty piloted planes were, and doing different things to try to replace piloted planes with missiles. Piloted planes are slow, heavy, inefficient, expensive, unreliable, a logistical mess, a PR disaster waiting to happen, and travel twice as far as they need to.

    Missiles are faster than planes, smaller, lighter, cheaper, only need to do the journey one way, and don't produce any negative PR when they get shot down or captured.

    It Hitler or Goering were alive today (and we all hope they are) they'd be all in on missiles, and would retire the entire Luftwaffe besides a few cargo planes.

    The only problem would be that Stalin might notice that Hitler was on ebay 24/7 buying GPS modules and arduinos with free shipping from various sellers in Shenzhen.
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    Sophie Pedophile Tech Support
    Originally posted by Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country Getting a rusty old freighter and kitting it out with the kit to launch missiles would be so much cheaper than buying an aircraft carrier.

    Even in WW2 everyone was bitching about how shitty piloted planes were, and doing different things to try to replace piloted planes with missiles. Piloted planes are slow, heavy, inefficient, expensive, unreliable, a logistical mess, a PR disaster waiting to happen, and travel twice as far as they need to.

    Missiles are faster than planes, smaller, lighter, cheaper, only need to do the journey one way, and don't produce any negative PR when they get shot down or captured.

    It Hitler or Goering were alive today (and we all hope they are) they'd be all in on missiles, and would retire the entire Luftwaffe besides a few cargo planes.

    The only problem would be that Stalin might notice that Hitler was on ebay 24/7 buying GPS modules and arduinos with free shipping from various sellers in Shenzhen.

    Hitler was into ballistic missiles back in the day with the V1 and V2, don't you just love the sound a pulse jet engine makes?

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