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Addressing the claim that whistleblower requirements changed right before Ukraine claims
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2019-10-01 at 2:09 PM UTCTrump and many other Republicans have claimed that the requirements for whistleblowers changed in order to 'get Trump', as well as the claim that there was no first-hand information. But this is not the case.
https://www.dni.gov/files/ICIG/Documents/News/ICIG%20News/2019/September%2030%20-%20Statement%20on%20Processing%20of%20Whistleblower%20Complaints/ICIG%20Statement%20on%20Processing%20of%20Whistleblower%20Complaints.pdfThe Disclosure of Urgent Concern form the Complainant submitted on August 12, 2019 is
the same form the ICIG has had in place since May 24, 2018, which went into effect before
Inspector General Atkinson entered on duty as the Inspector General of the Intelligence
Community on May 29, 2018, following his swearing in as the Inspector General of the
Intelligence Community on May 17, 2018. Although the form requests information about whether
the Complainant possesses first-hand knowledge about the matter about which he or she is lodging
the complaint, there is no such requirement set forth in the statute. In fact, by law the Complainant
– or any individual in the Intelligence Community who wants to report information with respect
to an urgent concern to the congressional intelligence committees – need not possess first-hand
information in order to file a complaint or information with respect to an urgent concern.At the time the Complainant filed the Disclosure of Urgent Concern form with the ICIG
on August 12, 2019, the ICIG followed its routine practice and provided the Complainant
information, including “Background Information on ICWPA Process,” which included the
following language:
In order to find an urgent concern “credible,” the IC IG must be in
possession of reliable, first-hand information. The IC IG cannot transmit
information via the ICWPA based on an employee’s second-hand
knowledge of wrongdoing. This includes information received from
another person, such as when a fellow employee informs you that he/she
witnessed some type of wrongdoing. (Anyone with first-hand knowledge of the allegations may file a disclosure in writing directly with the IC IG.)
Similarly, speculation about the existence of wrongdoing does not provide
sufficient basis to meet the statutory requirements of the ICWPA. If you
think wrongdoing took place, but can provide nothing more than secondhand or unsubstantiated assertions, IC IG will not be able to process the
complaint or information for submission as an ICWPA.The Complainant on the form he or she submitted on August 12, 2019 in fact checked two
relevant boxes: The first box stated that, “I have personal and/or direct knowledge of events or
records involved”; and the second box stated that, “Other employees have told me about events or
records involved.”
In case you're not familiar with ICIG, this is the statue which gives them the power to regulate such things: https://www.dni.gov/files/ICIG/Documents/Policy/Authorities/3033%20Inspector%20General%20of%20the%20Intelligence%20Community.pdf -
2019-10-01 at 3:32 PM UTCr u from galapagos?The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2019-10-01 at 4:58 PM UTC
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2019-10-01 at 5:40 PM UTCJust the fact they changed it proves it's part of an orchestrated smear job against Trump. They've been doing this since the day after he took office.
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2019-10-01 at 5:46 PM UTC
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2019-10-01 at 5:56 PM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2019-10-01 at 6:24 PM UTCWhat a lot of people don't realize is this is actually seditious conspiracy, and in many cases, treason. Treason is punishable by death. Trump could round them all up at any time, and the law will back him.
18 U.S. Code § 2384. Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
18 U.S. Code § 2383. Rebellion or insurrection
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)
18 U.S. Code § 2381. Treason
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-10-01 at 6:29 PM UTC
Originally posted by -SpectraL What a lot of people don't realize is this is actually seditious conspiracy, and in many cases, treason. Treason is punishable by death. Trump could round them all up at any time, and the law will back him.
18 U.S. Code § 2384. Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
18 U.S. Code § 2383. Rebellion or insurrection
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)
18 U.S. Code § 2381. Treason
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
Wow. The authoritarian propaganda has really gotten to you, hasn't it? Can't fart in front of the Trump Tower without his supporters claiming its treason.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-10-01 at 6:32 PM UTCThe law is the law, and it has to apply to everyone equally. This is sedition, boys.
*starts handing out ropes*The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-10-01 at 6:38 PM UTC
Originally posted by -SpectraL The law is the law, and it has to apply to everyone equally. This is sedition, boys.
*starts handing out ropes*
Honestly can't tell if you're doing parody shit or just plain stupid, so I'll just ask:
Considering that Trump was charged with obstruction of justice by the Mueller investigation, do you think Trump, being the only person in the United States of America who is EXEMPT from persecution by the law, should face punishment for provenly breaking the law?The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-10-01 at 6:40 PM UTC
Originally posted by GAAAAALM Honestly can't tell if you're doing parody shit or just plain stupid, so I'll just ask:
Considering that Trump was charged with obstruction of justice by the Mueller investigation, do you think Trump, being the only person in the United States of America who is EXEMPT from persecution by the law, should face punishment for provenly breaking the law?
You do know the President can legally pardon himself of any alleged crime, don't you? -
2019-10-01 at 6:51 PM UTC
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2019-10-01 at 7:01 PM UTCThe President is the head of the Justice Department.
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2019-10-01 at 7:05 PM UTC
Originally posted by -SpectraL You do know the President can legally pardon himself of any alleged crime, don't you?
Presidents are granted the authority to issue pardons in Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution.
The clause reads:
"The President ... shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment."
Take note of two key phrases in that clause. The first keyphrase limits the use of pardons "for offenses against the United States." The second key phrase states that a president can't issue a pardon "in cases of impeachment."
Those two caveats in the Constitution place some limitations on the president's power to pardon. The bottom line is that if a president commits a "high crime or misdemeanor" and is impeached, he can't pardon himself. He also cannot pardon himself in private civil and state criminal cases. His authority extends only to federal charges.
https://www.thoughtco.com/can-a-president-pardon-himself-4147403
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2019-10-01 at 7:10 PM UTCExcept, none of what's happening is treason. That's such a laughable claim.
It also says nothing about pardoning YOURSELF. And I guarantee that if Trump tried, it would go to the Supreme court and they would rule that a sitting president cannot pardon themselves. The potential for abuse is too gross to allow that to happen. There really is no precedent for the things you are claiming are true. -
2019-10-01 at 7:42 PM UTCIf the house impeached trump
It goes to the senate
The senate does not confirm
Nullifies trumps 1st term
Trump can run 2 more terms.
Trump 2024 👍🏻
LolzThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-10-01 at 8:11 PM UTC
Originally posted by Archer513 If the house impeached trump
It goes to the senate
The senate does not confirm
Nullifies trumps 1st term
Trump can run 2 more terms.
Trump 2024 👍🏻
Lolz
That's not how it works lol. Check the 22nd amendment
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxxiiNo person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.
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2019-10-01 at 10:11 PM UTCJohn Tyler United States President January 10, 1843 Not passed
James Buchanan United States President March 5, - June 16, 1860 Committee found that nothing had been done to warrant impeachment
Andrew Johnson United States President February 24, 1868 Impeached, but not removed from office by the United States Senate.
Richard Nixon United States President February 6, - August 9, 1974 Resigned before formal vote
George W. Bush United States President June 11, 2008 Resolution referred to committee, no further action taken
Bill Clinton United States President December 19, 1998 Impeached, but not removed from office by the United States Senate. -
2019-10-01 at 10:13 PM UTCspectral would be absolutely fucking useless without wikipedia
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2019-10-01 at 10:57 PM UTCwhy can you not just stick with one account
