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State vs. Private Sector Mass Surveillance
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2019-08-30 at 4:26 PM UTC
Originally posted by DietPiano i dont really care , its becoming so massive that none of it matters unless you are really engaging in high stakes crime. other than sensitive data that is, thats pretty important for people not to get, but you cant really not pay online in these days.
the more you pay with virtual cashes. the more power you give them. -
2019-08-30 at 11:15 PM UTCI cashed a check for 200 dollars in 50s today and cashed out some of my plasma gift card money so now I hopefully have enough without needing to withdrawal any which likely causes suspicion in this times
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2019-08-31 at 2:30 PM UTCJustice died a long time ago. Once you realize that and accept that as a fact, everything else becomes more understandable and digestible. Justice ain't only not blind, she ain't even alive anymore. In her place, what you have is a system of cheap third-rate substitutes for actual justice, like demotions, scoldings, firings, exposures, condemnations, finger-pointings, outrages, what-have-you. They've already fully accepted she's dead, so why shouldn't we? The pain and the frustration and the confusion only come in when you keep putting your faith in man, who is corrupt, you keep hoping against all hope that man will finally rise up and change his ways and finally be better people and redeem themselves. Ain't gonna happen! Not in this system! The system has failed! It's finished! Game over! End of story! Well, not quite the end, because their end is coming sooner than they think. People say, I'm going to fight for justice, but they don't realize that's a fight which can't be won! That's why this is not our fight. Only the Creator can win this fight. He is the only one who can restore true justice. Putting your faith in man to set things right is a doomed mission right from the get-go. All we can do is do what we can do to guard our own hearts and help others as best we can and stay aware and alert and informed. Everything else is only an exercise in futility.
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2019-08-31 at 4:07 PM UTC
Originally posted by -SpectraL Justice died a long time ago. Once you realize that and accept that as a fact, everything else becomes more understandable and digestible. Justice ain't only not blind, she ain't even alive anymore. In her place, what you have is a system of cheap third-rate substitutes for actual justice, like demotions, scoldings, firings, exposures, condemnations, finger-pointings, outrages, what-have-you. They've already fully accepted she's dead, so why shouldn't we? The pain and the frustration and the confusion only come in when you keep putting your faith in man, who is corrupt, you keep hoping against all hope that man will finally rise up and change his ways and finally be better people and redeem themselves. Ain't gonna happen! Not in this system! The system has failed! It's finished! Game over! End of story! Well, not quite the end, because their end is coming sooner than they think. People say, I'm going to fight for justice, but they don't realize that's a fight which can't be won! That's why this is not our fight. Only the Creator can win this fight. He is the only one who can restore true justice. Putting your faith in man to set things right is a doomed mission right from the get-go. All we can do is do what we can do to guard our own hearts and help others as best we can and stay aware and alert and informed. Everything else is only an exercise in futility.
lady justice is well and alive.
but she has grown old, fat, and having constantly being passed over for younger woman. grew bitter and vile. -
2019-08-31 at 9:23 PM UTCbut the law will protect us from all the bad people out there, you'll see. the law has only our best interests at heart, the law will keep us all safe.
so we should keep doing everything we can to keep the law in place, keep our leaders happy, so that they can continue with all their hard work keeping all those monsters at bay for all of us.
whatever would we do without them?
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2019-09-03 at 2:48 PM UTC
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2019-09-03 at 4:01 PM UTCIt's kind of a stupid thread to begin with since I'm likely the only person here that knows anything about either private sector or government security industry.
If aldra wants to look like a grown up by making this thread though that's fine, at least he means well. -
2019-09-03 at 4:18 PM UTC
Originally posted by park police It's kind of a stupid thread to begin with since I'm likely the only person here that knows anything about either private sector or government security industry.
If aldra wants to look like a grown up by making this thread though that's fine, at least he means well.
aldra has pussy now. -
2019-09-03 at 5:20 PM UTC
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2019-09-04 at 1:38 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny I agree that it doesn't really matter who does the surveillance, although I think there is a significant difference between private sector data-mining and state surveillance in that privately held data is a court order (or less) away from being available to the state, while the opposite isn't true. As much as I'm sure they'd love to, Amazon generally can't pull your criminal record to try to sell ski masks and leather gloves to convicted burglars.
I believe you're narrowing the scope too much. Amazon doesn't collect and catalogue personal information simply for direct marketing and short-term profit; groups that have become that big and powerful have interests that aren't purely economic. Actionable information on large-scale crowd behaviour as well as personal 'quirks' usable for things like direct manipulation or blackmail are liquid power - even if they're not overtly used or traded, you can expect a company like that to be intimately aware of their value.
What is also very concerning, possibly the most concerning is western intelligence agencies' heavy reliance on temporary external contractors these last few years. I'll go a bit more into this later (maybe), but with the majority of the NSA/CIA's budget going to external contractors, how long do you think it'll be before you start seeing their methodologies and toolkits showing up in major private companies? Don't misinterpret that; they're already there, but how long before it becomes overt? -
2019-09-04 at 1:34 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra I'll go a bit more into this later (maybe), but with the majority of the NSA/CIA's budget going to external contractors, how long do you think it'll be before you start seeing their methodologies and toolkits showing up in major private companies? Don't misinterpret that; they're already there, but how long before it becomes overt?
It's already overt for thousands of people. What is your point? -
2019-09-04 at 2:08 PM UTC1. covert vs. overt is a classification of how an action is carried out, not whether or how many people are aware of it.
2. of course thousands of people are aware; there are multiple thousands of current- and ex-intelligence contractors.
My point (there, in particular) is that these seemingly 'private' companies appear to be rapidly changing their goals away from purely economic dominance to acquisition of power that was previously the domain of nation-states. Specifically that these 'intelligence contractors' are a fairly new phenomenom, as in have only been hired in large numbers in the last decade or so. As time goes on they will, as civilians with state-level training and 'cyberweapons', make a significant impact on how the 'private sector' operates even outside of 'big tech' and the overarching surveillance topic.
If you want some background information that is significantly less schizophrenic than what you posted, I recommend this article:
https://washingtonsblog.com/2019/06/the-terrorists-among-us-2-private-intel-turned-on-people-they-pretend-to-protect.html
There are currently 5 in the series (he's a journalist working in the Donbass in the Ukraine, and as a result has been targeted by multiple NATO-trained and affiliated contractors, and has even been listed on the infamous myrotvorets) but that one's probably the most informative in terms of actual mechanics.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-09-04 at 2:21 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra 1. covert vs. overt is a classification of how an action is carried out, not whether or how many people are aware of it.
2. of course thousands of people are aware; there are multiple thousands of current- and ex-intelligence contractors.
My point (there, in particular) is that these seemingly 'private' companies appear to be rapidly changing their goals away from purely economic dominance to acquisition of power that was previously the domain of nation-states. Specifically that these 'intelligence contractors' are a fairly new phenomenom, as in have only been hired in large numbers in the last decade or so. As time goes on they will, as civilians with state-level training and 'cyberweapons', make a significant impact on how the 'private sector' operates even outside of 'big tech' and the overarching surveillance topic.
If you want some background information that is significantly less schizophrenic than what you posted, I recommend this article:
https://washingtonsblog.com/2019/06/the-terrorists-among-us-2-private-intel-turned-on-people-they-pretend-to-protect.html
There are currently 5 in the series (he's a journalist working in the Donbass in the Ukraine, and as a result has been targeted by multiple NATO-trained and affiliated contractors, and has even been listed on the infamous myrotvorets) but that one's probably the most informative in terms of actual mechanics.
Unless you grew up in east germany during that time or your MOS is PsyOps, Zersetzung/stasi tactics and psychological operations are going to sound "schizophrenic" to you. I can tell you don't know shit about the subject. Don't really expect many people to.
The thing the guy was pointing out is that private sector security and counter surveillance nowadays overlaps with psychological operations and directed energy weapons. Again, if you don't actually know anyone that works in these industries or have experience there yourself, you're just talking out your ass. -
2019-09-04 at 2:24 PM UTCYeah I'm not really interested in dealing with your LARPing or attention seeking at the moment, try again later.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2019-09-04 at 2:45 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra Yeah I'm not really interested in dealing with your LARPing or attention seeking at the moment, try again later.
Live action role playing sounds like what you're doing right about now, pretending you know about this subject/have experience with it, when you've only read a couple articles on it.
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2019-09-04 at 4:56 PM UTC
