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2016-12-22 at 8:24 AM UTC
Originally posted by blackbird Sex and gender are two different things. Yes, you’re physically male if you have a penis, but that doesn’t make you a man.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_sex-determination_system
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2016-12-22 at 8:53 AM UTCIt says "sex determination system" right there though... are you denying the sex/gender distinction or are you criticizing the (obviously minority, and not here represented) position that sex is a social construct?
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2016-12-22 at 9:33 AM UTC
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2016-12-22 at 11:28 PM UTC
Originally posted by blackbird Sex and gender are two different things. Yes, you’re physically male if you have a penis, but that doesn’t make you a man.
It is not false that sex and gender are two different things. But you do seem to surpass the obvious difference between the attitudes regarding them. Your sex (or is it gender?) is a product of chromosome combinations and determines if you will be a child bearer or an inseminator. This is the reality regardless of the social construct of gender. Current beliefs of gender are based solely on identity and have no physical or factual basis on a biological level. This is why many are having a difficult time agreeing that gender is even a legitimate thing. Much like others in this thread said, I can run around on all fours, bark and eat dog food I am still a human.
To put it another way let us say an individual was born in India. They grew up in India and were surrounded by indian culture. We would say this persons nationality is Indian. But in this individuals mind their National Identity is that they are not of Indian descent at all. They, though being born in india, raised in india and surrounded by indian culture, have come to the conclusion they they are an Italian! In our day that is a rather insane thought. To think that you are something by "identity" and expecting others to accommodate you in an identity built of your own perception that wholly disregards the reality and circumstances that are directing your life.
But no, this Trans-Italians plight is seen and answered. Clinics open up with procedures to dye the skin the color of the individuals "National Identity" and though extremely risky this procedure is encouraged even though "Trans national" rates of suicide are actually higher after the procedure.
And we cannot forget that these rates of suicide in trans nationals could never be due to mental illness or defective psycology and must always be reinforces that the rate is higher because of their status as an oppressed people. Even though the suicide rates among all other minority groups who face similar levels of oppression are drastically lower.
And it would be a travesty and outrage when, during the olympic games, these trans nationals are unallowed to compete for the nation of their national identity rather the nation of their nationality. So we would accommodate and say "what is nationality anyway? is it not an archaic social construct? Isnt there a history of oppression surrounding this?" We must move forward and allow the Trans Nigerians to compete for Nigeria and so forth. To not do so would be a violation of our most basic human rights.
In time it comes to be that nationality as a simple and reasonable system of identification is plain wrong. It comes to be that even being a "nationalist" is something to be ashamed of because it is at its core "transphobic". Nationality is replaced by the idea of National Identity. Some people identify as a Russian though they reside in iceland. A resident of somalia becomes canadian overnight. Others believe that National Identity itself can be too restrictive and therefore become nationals of Middle Earth or Tatooine. There are even individuals who identify as Zeta Reticulations. And of course the nationally fluid must be accomodated, and people from day to day swap their national identity to whatever best suits the time.
And in the end, when the change is made and we have patted ourselves on our backs for reconstructing nationality as national identity and accepting national fluidity a realization will dawn. A feeling will slowly sink in. When all is said and done no one really knows "who" they are anymore. -
2016-12-22 at 11:39 PM UTC
Originally posted by thelittlestnigger It is not false that sex and gender are two different things. But you do seem to surpass the obvious difference between the attitudes regarding them. Your sex (or is it gender?) is a product of chromosome combinations and determines if you will be a child bearer or an inseminator. This is the reality regardless of the social construct of gender. Current beliefs of gender are based solely on identity and have no physical or factual basis on a biological level. This is why many are having a difficult time agreeing that gender is even a legitimate thing. Much like others in this thread said, I can run around on all fours, bark and eat dog food I am still a human.
To put it another way let us say an individual was born in India. They grew up in India and were surrounded by indian culture. We would say this persons nationality is Indian. But in this individuals mind their National Identity is that they are not of Indian descent at all. They, though being born in india, raised in india and surrounded by indian culture, have come to the conclusion they they are an Italian! In our day that is a rather insane thought. To think that you are something by "identity" and expecting others to accommodate you in an identity built of your own perception that wholly disregards the reality and circumstances that are directing your life.
But no, this Trans-Italians plight is seen and answered. Clinics open up with procedures to dye the skin the color of the individuals "National Identity" and though extremely risky this procedure is encouraged even though "Trans national" rates of suicide are actually higher after the procedure.
And we cannot forget that these rates of suicide in trans nationals could never be due to mental illness or defective psycology and must always be reinforces that the rate is higher because of their status as an oppressed people. Even though the suicide rates among all other minority groups who face similar levels of oppression are drastically lower.
And it would be a travesty and outrage when, during the olympic games, these trans nationals are unallowed to compete for the nation of their national identity rather the nation of their nationality. So we would accommodate and say "what is nationality anyway? is it not an archaic social construct? Isnt there a history of oppression surrounding this?" We must move forward and allow the Trans Nigerians to compete for Nigeria and so forth. To not do so would be a violation of our most basic human rights.
In time it comes to be that nationality as a simple and reasonable system of identification is plain wrong. It comes to be that even being a "nationalist" is something to be ashamed of because it is at its core "transphobic". Nationality is replaced by the idea of National Identity. Some people identify as a Russian though they reside in iceland. A resident of somalia becomes canadian overnight. Others believe that National Identity itself can be too restrictive and therefore become nationals of Middle Earth or Tatooine. There are even individuals who identify as Zeta Reticulations. And of course the nationally fluid must be accomodated, and people from day to day swap their national identity to whatever best suits the time.
And in the end, when the change is made and we have patted ourselves on our backs for reconstructing nationality as national identity and accepting national fluidity a realization will dawn. A feeling will slowly sink in. When all is said and done no one really knows "who" they are anymore.
Don't forget that calling someone the wrong nationality, or "misnationalizing" them is a hate crime in a lot of places -
2016-12-22 at 11:43 PM UTC
Originally posted by Hash Slinging Slasher Don't forget that calling someone the wrong nationality, or "misnationalizing" them is a hate crime in a lot of places
There is actually a section of every police force specifically designed to aid transnationals who have faced adversity because of their situation as a transnational. To misnationalize is only seen as a crime of hate, discrimination and ignorance to which fines or jail time will be mandatory. -
2016-12-22 at 11:49 PM UTC
Originally posted by thelittlestnigger It is not false that sex and gender are two different things. But you do seem to surpass the obvious difference between the attitudes regarding them. Your sex (or is it gender?) is a product of chromosome combinations and determines if you will be a child bearer or an inseminator. This is the reality regardless of the social construct of gender. Current beliefs of gender are based solely on identity and have no physical or factual basis on a biological level. This is why many are having a difficult time agreeing that gender is even a legitimate thing. Much like others in this thread said, I can run around on all fours, bark and eat dog food I am still a human.
To put it another way let us say an individual was born in India. They grew up in India and were surrounded by indian culture. We would say this persons nationality is Indian. But in this individuals mind their National Identity is that they are not of Indian descent at all. They, though being born in india, raised in india and surrounded by indian culture, have come to the conclusion they they are an Italian! In our day that is a rather insane thought. To think that you are something by "identity" and expecting others to accommodate you in an identity built of your own perception that wholly disregards the reality and circumstances that are directing your life.
But no, this Trans-Italians plight is seen and answered. Clinics open up with procedures to dye the skin the color of the individuals "National Identity" and though extremely risky this procedure is encouraged even though "Trans national" rates of suicide are actually higher after the procedure.
And we cannot forget that these rates of suicide in trans nationals could never be due to mental illness or defective psycology and must always be reinforces that the rate is higher because of their status as an oppressed people. Even though the suicide rates among all other minority groups who face similar levels of oppression are drastically lower.
And it would be a travesty and outrage when, during the olympic games, these trans nationals are unallowed to compete for the nation of their national identity rather the nation of their nationality. So we would accommodate and say "what is nationality anyway? is it not an archaic social construct? Isnt there a history of oppression surrounding this?" We must move forward and allow the Trans Nigerians to compete for Nigeria and so forth. To not do so would be a violation of our most basic human rights.
In time it comes to be that nationality as a simple and reasonable system of identification is plain wrong. It comes to be that even being a "nationalist" is something to be ashamed of because it is at its core "transphobic". Nationality is replaced by the idea of National Identity. Some people identify as a Russian though they reside in iceland. A resident of somalia becomes canadian overnight. Others believe that National Identity itself can be too restrictive and therefore become nationals of Middle Earth or Tatooine. There are even individuals who identify as Zeta Reticulations. And of course the nationally fluid must be accomodated, and people from day to day swap their national identity to whatever best suits the time.
And in the end, when the change is made and we have patted ourselves on our backs for reconstructing nationality as national identity and accepting national fluidity a realization will dawn. A feeling will slowly sink in. When all is said and done no one really knows "who" they are anymore.
Best post on this site. Archive -
2016-12-23 at 12:01 AM UTCI black all eyes. My real desire is to gouge them out though but I don't want to go to jail.
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2016-12-23 at 12:50 AM UTC
Originally posted by thelittlestnigger There is actually a section of every police force specifically designed to aid transnationals who have faced adversity because of their situation as a transnational. To misnationalize is only seen as a crime of hate, discrimination and ignorance to which fines or jail time will be mandatory.
And if you're a business in new York you can get fined 250k for not using someone's preferred pronouns
Someone could say they are to be referred to as supercalifragilisticexpialidociouself and if you refuse you lose 250k for "gender discrimination" -
2016-12-23 at 5:45 AM UTC
Originally posted by thelittlestnigger It is not false that sex and gender are two different things. But you do seem to surpass the obvious difference between the attitudes regarding them. Your sex (or is it gender?) is a product of chromosome combinations and determines if you will be a child bearer or an inseminator. This is the reality regardless of the social construct of gender. Current beliefs of gender are based solely on identity and have no physical or factual basis on a biological level. This is why many are having a difficult time agreeing that gender is even a legitimate thing. Much like others in this thread said, I can run around on all fours, bark and eat dog food I am still a human.
Are you retarded? No one here has claimed biological sex is a social construct, no one has argued you can change your chromosomal sex. You open as if you acknowledge a sex/gender distinction but the screed that follows is just "herp derp attack helicopter". -
2016-12-23 at 9:31 AM UTCWhat if we COULD mess with chromosomes? There's a whole lot of bullshit involved with genetics and DNA, so let's ignore ALL OF THAT and focus simply on the implication this would have on the whole gender/sex construct. If you could have surgery to fix all your parts,and... whatever they would do to fix your DNA, would this be accepted? Would you guys consider somebody who underwent this process to be whatever the process claims to make them?
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2016-12-23 at 9:54 AM UTCAlthough I do wonder what would happen if a mother found out she was pregnant with a boy but wanted a girl and ate nothing but soy
Today's 13 year old mothers would be entitled and selfish enough -
2016-12-23 at 10 AM UTC
Originally posted by Hash Slinging Slasher Although I do wonder what would happen if a mother found out she was pregnant with a boy but wanted a girl and ate nothing but soy
You’d probably get something like Zek. -
2016-12-23 at 11:49 AM UTC
Originally posted by thelittlestnigger It is not false that sex and gender are two different things. But you do seem to surpass the obvious difference between the attitudes regarding them. Your sex (or is it gender?) is a product of chromosome combinations and determines if you will be a child bearer or an inseminator. This is the reality regardless of the social construct of gender. Current beliefs of gender are based solely on identity and have no physical or factual basis on a biological level. This is why many are having a difficult time agreeing that gender is even a legitimate thing. Much like others in this thread said, I can run around on all fours, bark and eat dog food I am still a human.
To put it another way let us say an individual was born in India. They grew up in India and were surrounded by indian culture. We would say this persons nationality is Indian. But in this individuals mind their National Identity is that they are not of Indian descent at all. They, though being born in india, raised in india and surrounded by indian culture, have come to the conclusion they they are an Italian! In our day that is a rather insane thought. To think that you are something by "identity" and expecting others to accommodate you in an identity built of your own perception that wholly disregards the reality and circumstances that are directing your life.
But no, this Trans-Italians plight is seen and answered. Clinics open up with procedures to dye the skin the color of the individuals "National Identity" and though extremely risky this procedure is encouraged even though "Trans national" rates of suicide are actually higher after the procedure.
And we cannot forget that these rates of suicide in trans nationals could never be due to mental illness or defective psycology and must always be reinforces that the rate is higher because of their status as an oppressed people. Even though the suicide rates among all other minority groups who face similar levels of oppression are drastically lower.
And it would be a travesty and outrage when, during the olympic games, these trans nationals are unallowed to compete for the nation of their national identity rather the nation of their nationality. So we would accommodate and say "what is nationality anyway? is it not an archaic social construct? Isnt there a history of oppression surrounding this?" We must move forward and allow the Trans Nigerians to compete for Nigeria and so forth. To not do so would be a violation of our most basic human rights.
In time it comes to be that nationality as a simple and reasonable system of identification is plain wrong. It comes to be that even being a "nationalist" is something to be ashamed of because it is at its core "transphobic". Nationality is replaced by the idea of National Identity. Some people identify as a Russian though they reside in iceland. A resident of somalia becomes canadian overnight. Others believe that National Identity itself can be too restrictive and therefore become nationals of Middle Earth or Tatooine. There are even individuals who identify as Zeta Reticulations. And of course the nationally fluid must be accomodated, and people from day to day swap their national identity to whatever best suits the time.
And in the end, when the change is made and we have patted ourselves on our backs for reconstructing nationality as national identity and accepting national fluidity a realization will dawn. A feeling will slowly sink in. When all is said and done no one really knows "who" they are anymore.
Comparing gender to nationality isn’t accurate. Your national culture is somthing you learn growing up. Gender is somthing that is inherent to a person, something that you’re born with, it’s not just gender roles or the “culture” of the gender which a person identifies with. -
2016-12-23 at 9:11 PM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny Are you retarded? No one here has claimed biological sex is a social construct, no one has argued you can change your chromosomal sex. You open as if you acknowledge a sex/gender distinction but the screed that follows is just "herp derp attack helicopter".
You're picking one singular and somewhat valid albeit silly remark and using it to discredit all arguments. And the reason is because normalizing it does open Pandora's box. Don't get me wrong "your body your rules", people should be allowed to take whatever drugs and perform whatever modifications they want, that doesn't mean I'm going to encourage it or pretend it's not ridiculous. Another real example is people that want to be trans-disabled. If I purposely and without reason have my legs amputated should I expect people to pander to me to accomodate my new lifestyle? After all "I didn't identify as an able bodied person". People would think I was a lunatic and rightfully so.
Not to mention that these people cant make babies and their procedure is purely to fulfill a sexual fetish. And then they wonder why they can't have normal relationships? Maybe a bit of self reflection would have done them better than the snip snip.
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2016-12-23 at 11:04 PM UTChttp://articles.latimes.com/1989-06-23/sports/sp-2706_1_tyson-s-managers-tyson-friend-jose-torres-robin-givens
LOL
Mike told it like it was.
"It was when I fought Robin in Steve Lott's apartment. She really offended me and I went BAM. She flew backwards, hitting every wall in the apartment," Tyson recalled. "That was the best punch I've ever thrown in my entire life." -
2016-12-23 at 11:15 PM UTC
Originally posted by Merlin You're picking one singular and somewhat valid albeit silly remark and using it to discredit all arguments. And the reason is because normalizing it does open Pandora's box. Don't get me wrong "your body your rules", people should be allowed to take whatever drugs and perform whatever modifications they want, that doesn't mean I'm going to encourage it or pretend it's not ridiculous. Another real example is people that want to be trans-disabled. If I purposely and without reason have my legs amputated should I expect people to pander to me to accomodate my new lifestyle? After all "I didn't identify as an able bodied person". People would think I was a lunatic and rightfully so.
Not to mention that these people cant make babies
Post last edited by Merlin at 2016-12-23T21:14:01.234319+00:00
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2016-12-24 at 12:09 AM UTC
Originally posted by Merlin You're picking one singular and somewhat valid albeit silly remark and using it to discredit all arguments.
What range of arguments am I dismissing? I pointed out how TLN's post was disingenuous (initially seeming to concede a sex/gender distinction and then ignoring it). I do think that particular attitude belongs to a broader class I also reject but all I've offered critique of is his particular post.And the reason is because normalizing it does open Pandora's box.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slopeNot to mention that these people cant make babies and their procedure is purely to fulfill a sexual fetish. And then they wonder why they can't have normal relationships? Maybe a bit of self reflection would have done them better than the snip snip.
Would you offer the same condemnation of cisgendered heterosexual activities not for the express purpose of reproduction? -
2016-12-24 at 2:33 AM UTC
Originally posted by AngryOnion http://articles.latimes.com/1989-06-23/sports/sp-2706_1_tyson-s-managers-tyson-friend-jose-torres-robin-givens
LOL
Mike told it like it was.
"It was when I fought Robin in Steve Lott's apartment. She really offended me and I went BAM. She flew backwards, hitting every wall in the apartment," Tyson recalled. "That was the best punch I've ever thrown in my entire life."
Damn that's a good Mike Tyson quote. Hadn't come across that one before. -
2016-12-24 at 4:13 AM UTCYou do know where the "thanks "button is right?
