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World of Chess rocked, as Grandmaster caught cheating
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2019-07-15 at 12:53 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny That's kind of what a metagame is though, if a strategy is effective you kind of have to adapt. With or without doping many athletes shorten their lives or do serious long term damage to their bodies in order to compete at the top level. I'm not saying it's good, but if negative health effects to competitors was really a reason to add or change rules of a game then football basically wouldn't exist and pitching in baseball would look very different than it does today. Half of spacies tech would be banned in melee and everyone would just play puff. I'm not saying we shouldn't take the well being of players into account but it's clearly not the only thing the consideration of how we handle PEDs or assistive technology in competition.
Combine that with the fact that stimulant drugs in the levels that are likely to be useful mental contests are probably reasonably safe (you're not playing your best chess game when you're tweaked out, you're probably taking about the level that people take when being treated for ADHD) I think there's at least a case to be made for allowing them in chess.
What do you mean about the characters in smash brothers? What does that have to do with people's health? -
2019-07-15 at 12:54 AM UTCThis thread makes me want to IV nootropics and play chess.
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2019-07-15 at 12:59 AM UTCHi gaddy I haven't seen you in a while. How are things, are they going more weller?The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2019-07-15 at 1 AM UTC
Originally posted by Common De-mominator No, it doesn't. And it shouldn't. The metagame should be about the playing of the game, there is no metagame to drugs. You take drugs as necessary to improve your performance. Unless you're suggesting some sort of drug counterplay will form, which again will simply not be part of the game.
It's not a fucking metagame lmao. It's interference by external factors.
Could point out all the hypocrisy but whats the point -
2019-07-15 at 1:01 AM UTC
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2019-07-15 at 1:02 AM UTCis it legal to drink in a park? As long as you aren't legally intoxicated?
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2019-07-15 at 1:04 AM UTC
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2019-07-15 at 1:35 AM UTCOne thing is practice. The other is taking shots against your heart's health etc in direct ways with no other effort.
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2019-07-15 at 4:06 AM UTC
Originally posted by Common De-mominator But if sportsmen in any way get put in a position where they need to take PEDs to compete, it immediately ruins the integrity of the game.
The metagame shouldn't include your opponent's Adderall cycle.
In athletic competitors already need to do strictly regimented exercise and maintain diets that enhance their performance while having no direct relevance to the rules of the sport they participate in to be anywhere near competitive. Diet is part of the metagame, your protein intake is part of the metagame, why not your drug intake?
Originally posted by DietPiano What do you mean about the characters in smash brothers? What does that have to do with people's health?
Using some characters at top or even mid-level smash, especially in melee, require a lot of inputs on controllers that weren't really designed to be used that fast and it puts a lot of strain on thumbs/wrists of players. A good number of top players have managed to injure themselves enough to have to take a break from the game or retire. Of the competitively viable characters fox is the worst about this, and puff requires relatively few difficult/fast inputs. Puff is also ghey to watch and play and no one wants to see her move any higher in the meta. -
2019-07-15 at 4:58 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny Using some characters at top or even mid-level smash, especially in melee, require a lot of inputs on controllers that weren't really designed to be used that fast and it puts a lot of strain on thumbs/wrists of players. A good number of top players have managed to injure themselves enough to have to take a break from the game or retire. Of the competitively viable characters fox is the worst about this, and puff requires relatively few difficult/fast inputs. Puff is also ghey to watch and play and no one wants to see her move any higher in the meta.
Nothing against smash (even tho its a terrible game) but playing videogames until you injure yourself is just ridiculous. -
2019-07-15 at 5:54 AM UTC
Originally posted by GGG Nothing against smash (even tho its a terrible game) but playing videogames until you injure yourself is just ridiculous.
I don't disagree (even though melee is the greatest game ever created), but trying to get a football down the field vigorously enough to the point that you suffer concussion or throwing a ball fast enough to damage your arm are also pretty ridiculousThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-07-15 at 6:06 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny I don't disagree (even though melee is the greatest game ever created), but trying to get a football down the field vigorously enough to the point that you suffer concussion or throwing a ball fast enough to damage your arm are also pretty ridiculous
Eh. I kind of agree (despite the fact that super mario smash bros is worse than roblox) however athletes actually physically train to avoid being weak and injuring themselves. You can't really do that with the hands. You just end up with arthritis no matter what.
Cant even imagine the to be arthritis of a professional career smash player. Technology already has it on the rise as it is. No doubt these people use phones and computers. Their hands are gonna xplodeee -
2019-07-15 at 6:07 AM UTCI only wanted to respond for more parentheses (because smash bros is seriously shit)
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2019-07-15 at 12:17 PM UTC
Originally posted by DietPiano I don't see why taking performance enhancing drugs is necessarily a bad thing for a sport in which the goal of the game is literally to be as smart as humanly possible. Drugs should be encouraged if they help with that.
the olympics were then and are now still decadent and depraved. -
2019-07-15 at 12:22 PM UTC
Originally posted by Common De-mominator Allowing PEDs is a fucking retarded idea. PEDs can be pretty significantly harmful, allowing them would turn sports into a contest of who is willing to shave the most years off their lifespan. Even if you're the best sportsman out there but the field is dirty, you will lose, so you have to engage in PEDs too. For example with Lance Armstrong, the top like 25 other dudes testing positive for roids in cycling too, and ALL of them cited the fact that everyone else was doing it so they felt compelled to too.
And that's actually the tragedy of doping: somewhere out there, the best cyclist of our era is sitting unrecognised. And that will continue to be the case if doping is allowed because then the best cyclist will be whoever is willing to push their system to the limit or even beyond it for a taste of glory. You still have to be a damn good cyclist of course, but PEDs are a big enough performance favtor that if two people are totally equal but one pushes themselves harder on PEDs, that dude is gonna win. Eventually the "championship factor" will just be the drug cycle.
sports had always been dangerous. its what make people want to see them.
sports without risks are just soap operas. -
2019-07-15 at 12:32 PM UTC
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2019-07-15 at 12:32 PM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny In athletic competitors already need to do strictly regimented exercise and maintain diets that enhance their performance while having no direct relevance to the rules of the sport they participate in to be anywhere near competitive. Diet is part of the metagame, your protein intake is part of the metagame, why not your drug intake?
Sports already have competitors complaining about things getting taken too far, like weight cutting in MMA, it's not like it's a good thing that people already have to hurt themselves in sports, that's fucked too.
Football players get CTE from getting their brains rattled around inside their skull all day, doesn't mean we should accept something that causes a high rate of head injury in another sport. That's fucked because if you're not using your head and shoulders offensively as a weapon, you are at a disadvantage... All of that is enabled by the fact that American football uses huge pads that will protect your skull and shit from being hurt but your brain will still be sloshing around inside it and getting fucked up. So you have to smash heads or you will lose. That's fucked, even football players think that's fucked but nobody has come to an agreement on the solution.
PEDs are no different, there's inevitably going to be a guy who is willing to cut his dick off and shove it up his ass if it means winning and being #1, all the "safe" PEDs will eventually get left behind and it's just going to be people pushing the line further back.
Like I said, I don't mind if they make a PED division or league for a given sport. It would probably also be super successful, shit I'd pay to watch NBA with jacked up superheroes, it'd be the next level of sport. But I doubt people would consider such a league or division to be as legitimate as a clean league, specially since it's unlikely that the sport's true best contenders will want to participate. -
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