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2016-12-15 at 10:54 PM UTCtube
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2016-12-15 at 10:59 PM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie tube
Hey, honestly, why did you stop replying to me man? -
2016-12-15 at 11:01 PM UTC
Originally posted by Open Your Mind Hey, honestly, why did you stop replying to me man?
Sorry I got bored. -
2016-12-15 at 11:25 PM UTCThat's OK, I was just wondering why you seem to think a spiritual perspective is wrong or a mistake and never got an answer from you.
Imagine you and someone both experienced X in a very similar way, you describe the experience in very similar ways, except this other persons also describes the experience as sexual and you do not. Are they wrong to do so? Is it a mistake? Are they interpreting something the wrong way? Are you? I don't think so. You each just experienced it a little differently than the other.
In my eyes that works for spiritual experiences as well. It's not wrong it's just a different perspective, unless you can explain why you think it's wrong. -
2016-12-15 at 11:30 PM UTC
Originally posted by Open Your Mind That's OK, I was just wondering why you seem to think a spiritual perspective is wrong or a mistake and never got an answer from you.
Imagine you and someone both experienced X in a very similar way, you describe the experience in very similar ways, except this other persons also describes the experience as sexual and you do not. Are they wrong to do so? Is it a mistake? Are they interpreting something the wrong way? Are you? I don't think so. You each just experienced it a little differently than the other.
Well ok fair enough if you put it that way. But if the other person claims that his experience is the objective truth or says anything about actual reality i would have a problem with that.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2016-12-15 at 11:41 PM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie Well ok fair enough if you put it that way. But if the other person claims that his experience is the objective truth or says anything about actual reality i would have a problem with that.
I can agree with that, except I don't think "actual reality" is a purely objective thing, reality is actually both objective and subjective. That is why no matter how much we study and learn about bats you will never know what it is like to be a bat unless you are a bat. Someone experiencing reality differently than you doesn't make their experience not real, just subjectively different, and in my eyes spirituality is very subjective.
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2016-12-15 at 11:44 PM UTC
Originally posted by Open Your Mind I can agree with that, except I don't think "actual reality" is a purely objective thing, reality is actually both objective and subjective. That is why no matter how much as we study and learn about bats you will never know what it is like to be a bat unless you are a bat. Someone experiencing reality differently than you doesn't make their experience not real, just subjectively different, and in my eyes spirituality is very subjective.
Spirituality maybe subjective but reality by it's very nature is not subjective. -
2016-12-15 at 11:46 PM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie reality by it's very nature is not subjective.
Not the objective parts but the subjective parts are. If reality was completely objective you should be able to know what it is like to be a bat without being a bat. -
2016-12-15 at 11:55 PM UTCIt's like saying your own subjective experience of reality isn't real.
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2016-12-16 at 12 AM UTCI don't care
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2016-12-16 at 12:28 AM UTC
Originally posted by Open Your Mind Not the objective parts but the subjective parts are. If reality was completely objective you should be able to know what it is like to be a bat without being a bat.
Nah bruh, there is reality outside of your brainscape of subjective experience. We may not have the mental machinery to know certain things that doesn't mean these things are subjective. -
2016-12-16 at 12:51 AM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie Nah bruh, there is reality outside of your brainscape of subjective experience. We may not have the mental machinery to know certain things that doesn't mean these things are subjective.
I totally agree that there is an objective aspect to reality outside of our subjective experiences, but I don't agree that our subjective experiences are not real or not a part of reality, rather they are just the subjective aspect of that same reality. -
2016-12-16 at 1:09 AM UTC
Originally posted by Open Your Mind I totally agree that there is an objective aspect to reality outside of our subjective experiences, but I don't agree that our subjective experiences are not real or not a part of reality, rather they are just the subjective aspect of that same reality.
I would argue that subjective experience is an effect of objective reality. -
2016-12-16 at 1:42 AM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie I would argue that subjective experience is an effect of objective reality.
That may be, I am not sure, let's continue as though it is: If subjective experiences, like consciousness, are an effect of an effect of something that is objective aren't these experiences real and therefore an aspect of our reality? -
2016-12-16 at 1:51 AM UTC
Originally posted by Open Your Mind That may be, I am not sure, let's continue as though it is: If subjective experiences, like consciousness, are an effect of an effect of something that is objective aren't these experiences real and therefore an aspect of our reality?
I never argued anyone's experience was not real. I simply stated that while your experience in and of itself may be real it does not fundamentally tell us anything about objective reality outside of our brainscape. -
2016-12-16 at 2:30 AM UTCOk. You know that I agree with you about that, right? I mean if a person experiences a sexual attraction to X, that subjective experience doesn't tell us anything objective about X. But that doesn't invalidate their attraction or the way they feel or experience it, or what X means to them or how they view X. And that should work for spiritual experiences as well.
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2016-12-16 at 2:40 AM UTCSo we all agree. HOORAY.
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2016-12-16 at 2:46 AM UTCWE ARE IN AGREEMENT
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