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2019-06-15 at 2:41 AM UTC
Originally posted by larrylegend8383 Yes. All those Narcan shots are being funded by the collective responsibility of heroin users everywhere.
Aaaand when it's legalized all that will stop because it's legal an all and personal responsibility an all
if heroin was legal then overdoses would near enough fall to zero. they would become an extremely rare occurrence.
and despite your ignorance, most heroin addicts do still earn money. they all pay taxes one way or another, whether its income tax or sales tax. they still contribute. i mean its rare to find a heroin addict that doesn't smoke tobacco and many drink alcohol. that's a lot of tax being paid just through that.
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2019-06-15 at 2:42 AM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist if heroin was legal then overdoses would near enough fall to zero. they would become an extremely rare occurrence.
and despite your ignorance, most heroin addicts do still earn money. they all pay taxes one way or another, whether its income tax or sales tax. they still contribute. i mean its rare to find a heroin addict that doesn't smoke tobacco and many drink alcohol. that's a lot of tax being paid just through that.
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2019-06-15 at 2:45 AM UTC
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2019-06-15 at 2:48 AM UTCThere is a moderate solution called decriminalization, and it is the best solution.
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2019-06-15 at 2:49 AM UTCI understand that you're partial to that good ol feel good but to claim overdoses would fall to almost zero is nothing but wishful thinking.
You and I both know that bud -
2019-06-15 at 2:49 AM UTC
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2019-06-15 at 2:56 AM UTC
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2019-06-15 at 2:57 AM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2019-06-15 at 2:57 AM UTC
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2019-06-15 at 2:59 AM UTC
Originally posted by larrylegend8383 I understand that you're partial to that good ol feel good but to claim overdoses would fall to almost zero is nothing but wishful thinking.
You and I both know that bud
why you think people overdose on heroin now? like what's the actual cause and the circumstances surrounding ODs exactly?
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2019-06-15 at 3:06 AM UTCAlright man. Legalize it. Get it as pure as possible. Regulate it and sell it out of the local gas station. Educate people on how to be as safe as possible with it.
You feel very confident you're able to safely maintain use without harming yourself
But if you think desperate users on the street will not carelessly persue their next fix from whatever source available, and put themselves in danger of overdosing, you're wrong.
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2019-06-15 at 3:27 AM UTCits the current irresponsible supply line thats the cause of overdose. people don't overdose just coz they got greedy or forgot when they last had a hit ffs. one thing smackheads are very much aware of is dosages and when they last used and when they'll next use. but the illegal supply doesn't give vital information like the purity of any particular serving. and it can vary wildly, making it impossible to know if this hit is the same strength as the last one, or half as much, twice as much, sometimes it can be ten or even twenty times as much and then overdose. couple that with the fact that because of the fear of prohibition causes people to hide away to fix up where there is nobody around to help if they do go over. and you've just created the factors necessary for a very deadly situation.
even decriminalization won't change that much tho as it usually only applies to possession, the dealers would stay the same. if you sourced heroin from a pharmacy like any other drug then it would be supplied very responsibly and the purity would be listed on the box. it could even be rationed, so it would be harder to obtain a lethal dose in one go.
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2019-06-15 at 3:31 AM UTC
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2019-06-15 at 3:31 AM UTC
Originally posted by larrylegend8383 Alright man. Legalize it. Get it as pure as possible. Regulate it and sell it out of the local gas station. Educate people on how to be as safe as possible with it.
You feel very confident you're able to safely maintain use without harming yourself
But if you think desperate users on the street will not carelessly persue their next fix from whatever source available, and put themselves in danger of overdosing, you're wrong.
You put too much faith in stupid people
lets say you did completely eliminate heroin from society. you think those people won't go and drink themselves to death instead? you think they'd magically become upstanding members of soviety and go out and start some lucrative career instead?
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2019-06-15 at 3:35 AM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2019-06-15 at 3:37 AM UTC
Originally posted by HTS
Stupid fence-sitters always say this shit. Extreme doesn't mean bad. Moderate does not mean intelligent, or good.
Not a fence sitter. Decriminalization is a definite point, just as hard criminalization or hard legalization. It's a move from where we are now, which is failure & the ruining of lives in a brutal crescendo. -
2019-06-15 at 3:41 AM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist its the current irresponsible supply line thats the cause of overdose. people don't overdose just coz they got greedy or forgot when they last had a hit ffs. one thing smackheads are very much aware of is dosages and when they last used and when they'll next use. but the illegal supply doesn't give vital information like the purity of any particular serving. and it can vary wildly, making it impossible to know if this hit is the same strength as the last one, or half as much, twice as much, sometimes it can be ten or even twenty times as much and then overdose. couple that with the fact that because of the fear of prohibition causes people to hide away to fix up where there is nobody around to help if they do go over. and you've just created the factors necessary for a very deadly situation.
even decriminalization won't change that much tho as it usually only applies to possession, the dealers would stay the same. if you sourced heroin from a pharmacy like any other drug then it would be supplied very responsibly and the purity would be listed on the box. it could even be rationed, so it would be harder to obtain a lethal dose in one go.
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2019-06-15 at 3:43 AM UTC
Originally posted by DietPiano Not a fence sitter. Decriminalization is a definite point, just as hard criminalize or hard legalize. It's a move from where we are now, which is failure and the ruining of lives at hasty crescendo.
It isn't ruining lives, it's sequestering people who have already ruined their lives so they stop committing self harm and can't hurt anyone else.
The current system is a moderate solution. Fuck decriminalization, we need recriminalization with harsher penalties and more resources devoted to routing out corruption in our communities. No concessions should be made.
Funny how the only people who have said we should end the war on drugs are all hardcore opiate addicts. 🤔🤔🤔 -
2019-06-15 at 3:54 AM UTC
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2019-06-15 at 3:56 AM UTC
Originally posted by larrylegend8383 Narc I literally addressed all of this before you posted it
i read it, and you stated that i was wrong to think your exaggerated version. i'm putting you right on your little strawman attempt. for example nobody is advocating it being sold in fucking gas stations ffs, you moron.
and you know the majority of those desperate addicts on the streets aren't exclusively heroin addicts, they are total junkies and are doing literally every substance they can get their hands on. if you went and trolled these people about jenkem they would totally be brewing up their turds. they sniff glue and aerosols if thats all they could get. as it is they'r all drinking heavily as well as taking heroin and are all doing valium, xanax, pregabs, mogadons, zopiclones and any other tablets they can get their hands on as well as smoking crack and spice regularly. as i said before these people are just total fucking losers who are so fucked they are desperate to escape their shitty existence. no amount of prohibition in the world would stop them. you could state the death penalty for mere possession and they'd still be out there business as usual. advocating prohibition to save these people is ridiculous. all the harm prohibition causes everyone in society and you think its worth it to try and save these fucking idiots. what an extremely stupid exercise in futility that is. absolutely fucking mental, continue what we've been doing for 60 years and expect to all of a sudden get different results somehow. people who don't do drugs are fucking crazy, lol.
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