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2019-06-14 at 3:52 AM UTCLook, I think even hydromorphone can agree that we don't need heroin gummy bears sold at costco. Now personally, I would fucking love some heroin gummy bears along with meth cookies, but I think we need to think of the children for a second. Y'know, "Ey, Mommy'll be back, she's just gonna drop some cid and smoke a lil' tek before she come home.."
That said,
Using drugs is not a criminal activity, and it should not be a crime to use drugs. Decriminalization. Mexico is already going to do this, and every country needs to follow suit. Just because it's not "legal", as in you can't set up a PCP lemonade stand, doesn't mean you need to go to jail for having it/using it on a personal level. But yeah if you're fronting drugs I mean, someone has to be accountable for mixing fent incorrectly and killing 60 people. If you're peddling big time, you basically assume the risks that come with doing such, but simply using drugs is not an activity worthy of persecution.
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2019-06-14 at 4:41 AM UTCContrary to popular opinion, the war on drugs is actually doing great.
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2019-06-14 at 4:45 AM UTCthats why you should be real with your kids and give them their first bag of dope n all
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2019-06-14 at 4:48 AM UTC
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2019-06-14 at 4:57 AM UTC
Originally posted by DietPiano simply using drugs is not an activity worthy of persecution.
Again, it's the same concept as seatbelt safety laws. You can argue that not wearing a seatbelt is not an activity worthy of persecution either, but really we have a moral obligation to keep you alive. For your sake, for your family's sake, and for our sake. If Papa DietPiano dies because we let him get addicted to reefer and he walked into traffic because he was stoned out of his gourd, his orphaned children would be on our heads. So we say "okay, you can't use this because you're a human and consequently that means you're a fucking idiot". Just like we don't want Papa DietPiano flying through his windshield in a fenderbender because he was too stupid to put on a seatbelt. Only you don't complain about that, do you? Because you're a drug addict and you only care about getting your next fix, not about some stupid bullshit about seatbelts.
Stupidity related to drugs isn't just a one time thing either - it's a lot worse than the issue with seatbelts. Just to preempt any attempt at saying "well seatbelt shit only comes with a fine or a warning". Terminal human stupidity being the reality that it is, people will be stupid about using drugs. They will become addicts. They will OD. Whether it's legal or not, I think we can both agree that that's always going to happen. So why should we encourage it and increase availability. I would much rather have 100000 scared junkies worried about the law and getting stabbed/arrested when they go to buy drugs, than 200000 happy junkies (100000 of whom would never have touched drugs because they were scared) who aren't worried and can just be worthless fuckups.
Originally posted by DietPiano How's that war on drugs comin' HTS? Are you on the homestretch, omeslice?
"hurr current strategies aren't working so we should just give up lol"
That's retarded. We should reclassify all drugs as schedule 1 and increase the possible sentences to include life/the death sentence for possession of any amount. See how the war on drugs goes when the law is as lethal as what it's fighting against. 🤔 -
2019-06-14 at 5:01 AM UTC
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2019-06-14 at 5:02 AM UTCIt's weird how people think the answer to the failed war on drugs is "ending the war on drugs" rather than "implementing fascism and exterminating undesirables with extreme prejudice".
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2019-06-14 at 5:23 AM UTCDietPiano, if drugs were all illegal and possession more strictly punished, this would never have happened. Sploo and Shamby would be productive members of society and still be close friends. And yet you think we should end the war on drugs. You're a monster.
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2019-06-14 at 5:57 AM UTCAOC supports scientist researching shrooms and xtc for medical purposes. That and Denver decriminalized shrooms as well. I think shrooms are beneficial, every time I've ever taken them I actually feel better after the trip than had I not taken them at all.
Gotta admit tho, I've had a blast on tek, but last summer I really screwed myself up. I have bipolar d/o and the tek usage and that really don't mix well. I was taken to the mental hospital twice over using it. I haven't used any in six months and I don't think I ever will again but if someone can handle and its a menace then I think its fine if they choose to do it.
I've used H off and on for the last 13 years but even thats been almost a year since I've done any. I overdosed twice last summer out of all the times I've done it and the whole ordeal of waking up with paramedics asking you what you took ect.. is pretty scary. I think the shit now is a lot stronger. The paramedics even gave me a kit with narcan and test to test for fent. Shits crazy
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2019-06-14 at 6:01 AM UTC
Originally posted by HTS Drugs are one of the more self-destructive avenues of recreation. Recreational drug use is - by nature of it being recreational - totally unnecessary. You don't need to get high. Ever. Add to that the risks, and it totally makes sense to prohibit access. Of course you can say that harm reduction education and an educated populace would ideally never run into problems with legal drug use, but that is utopian nonsense. The reality is that people are fucking stupid. People will destroy themselves, their lives, and the lives of others if they're allowed to do drugs. Because they're fucking stupid. The government has a moral obligation to the people to prevent them from hurting themselves. You aren't crying about seatbelt safety laws, and it's the exact same concept. Why aren't you crying about that? Because you aren't a degenerate seatbeltlessness addict. You're a degenerate drug addict. 🤔
1. why don't they ban alcohol then?
2. that mainstream argument relies on the theory that taking drugs ruins peoples lives by turning them into a total fucking loser. here's a mind blowing theory for you, maybe total fucking losers are taking drugs due to frustration, depression, boredom or despair over the fact they are total fucking losers in the first place. i put it to you that those total fucking losers wasting their lives away with hard drugs would still be total fucking losers if heroin, crack and meth didn't exist. they'd just resort to alcohol or sniffing glue or summing, like all those other total fucking losers who drink excessively or sit down an alley with a bag of glue stuck on their face do. total fucking losers lives start going shitty so they inevitably start using drugs to forget and/or make themselves feel better about the fact they are useless pieces of shit.
3. people see their friends and love ones who are total fucking losers doing drugs and quickly without question blame the friends situation on the inanimate object they are sticking in themselves every day. rather than blaming the conscious semi intelligent entity that is sticking the inanimate object in itself. that way they don't then have to accept their friend is a total fucking loser and the authorities get to create a 'monster they can then use to scare the shit out of the population with, in order to force compliance, obedience and misguided loyalty through offering some form of illusion of security from the inanimate 'evil' object they have then just sold the gullible populace on. now as long as they keep pushing and repeating that 'drugs are bad' mantra, theyll have so many total fucking losers turning to it followed by an army of gullible and bewildered friends and loved ones who are now completely fucking brainwashed into the 'drugs are bad' propaganda and will spend their entire ignorant stupid lives repeating to others the same old completely debunked unproven theory like its fact over and over again like a non-stop chain reaction of mass hysteria. rather than just accepting the fact that their dear norman or sally is just a waste of fucking space idiot who's incapable of doing fuck all of any importance or general usefullness and would always have ended up an utter failure in life, probably due in a large part to how they were raised in the fucking first place, no matter what they did or didn't do along the way.
4. the knock on effects of prohibition is by far the cause of way more destruction and harm to the public at whole than the few measly side effects experienced by some idiot who doesn't know his limits. just think of how much crime is committed against innocent civilians every fucking day, non-stop, never ending. burglaries, car crime, muggings, frauds, violence, organised crime, millions of which directly committed by prohibited drug users and dealers every single day. think of all the money cost in insurances, prosecution costs, funding the police, prison system, court buildings, customs and excise, healthcare systems, DEA and FBI etc. and all that to try and stop summing that is just going to happen anyway.
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2019-06-14 at 6:14 AM UTC
Originally posted by HTS DietPiano, if drugs were all illegal and possession more strictly punished, this would never have happened. Sploo and Shamby would be productive members of society and still be close friends. And yet you think we should end the war on drugs. You're a monster.
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2019-06-14 at 6:18 AM UTC
Originally posted by NARCassist 1. why don't they ban alcohol then?
Like I said, they should. And coffee, after age restricting it for a while to make its criminality more palatable.
Originally posted by NARCassist 2. that mainstream argument relies on the theory that taking drugs ruins peoples lives by turning them into a total fucking loser. here's a mind blowing theory for you, maybe total fucking losers are taking drugs due to frustration, depression, boredom or despair over the fact they are total fucking losers in the first place. i put it to you that those total fucking losers wasting their lives away with hard drugs would still be total fucking losers if heroin, crack and meth didn't exist. they'd just resort to alcohol or sniffing glue or summing like all those other total fucking losers who drink excessively or sit down an alley with a bag of glue stuck on their face do. total fucking losers lives start going shitty so they inevitably start using drugs to forget and/or make themselves feel better about the fact they are useless pieces of shit.
Maybe, but I put to YOU that not all of them started as total fucking losers. That their lives spiralled out of control because they started doing drugs and couldn't stop. People who, if they'd never had a sip of alcohol, would never have beaten their wives or raped their kids or whatever fucked up alcoholic stereotype you wanna dream up.
Not just that, but why should we make it easier to do drugs? I mean even if they're going to be worthless pieces of shit either way, maybe they could find peace at some point in life if their lives didn't spiral even further out of control via escapist drug abuse. We shouldn't write off worthless pieces of shit and just say "yeah, let them fuck up their lives with drug addiction, they're already useless". They can get better. You can't, but they can if they don't do drugs.
Originally posted by NARCassist 3. people see their friends and love ones who are total fucking losers doing drugs and quickly without question blame the friends situation on the inanimate object they are sticking in themselves every day. rather than blaming the conscious semi intelligent entity that is sticking the inanimate object in itself. that way they don't then have to accept their friend is a total fucking loser and the authorities get to create a 'monster they can then use to scare the shit out of the population with, in order to force compliance through offering some form of illusion of security from the inanimate 'evil' object they have then just sold the gullible populace on. now as long as they keep pushing and repeating that 'drugs are bad' mantra, theyll have so many total fucking losers turning to it followed by an army of gullible and bewildered friends and loved ones who are now completely fucking brainwashed into the 'drugs are bad' propaganda and will spend their entire ignorant stupid lives repeating to others the same old completely debunked unproven theory like its fact over and over again like a non-stop chain reaction of mass hysteria. rather than just accepting the fact that their dear norman or sally is just a waste of fucking space idiot who's incapable of doing fuck all of any importance or general usefullness and would always have ended up an utter failure in life, probably due in a large part to how they were raised in the first place, no matter what they did or didn't do along the way.
People see mice hitting the button for cocaine instead of food to the point where they damn near die, and they blame the cocaine. Yeah. Drugs are inanimate, but in vitro they change how you are animated. Significantly. That's why you're addicted to them. If drugs didn't have any effect, you wouldn't use them. It's not stupid to blame the thing that's having an effect on you, even if you are ultimately responsible for the fact that it's having that effect on you. If we got rid of the thing, you wouldn't be able to let it have that effect on you. And since you're obviously too irresponsible to do that for yourself, we have to do it for you. By force, if necessary.
Originally posted by NARCassist 4. the knock on effects of prohibition is by far the cause of way more destruction and harm to the public at whole than the few measly side effects experienced by some idiot who doesn't know his limits. just think of how much crime is committed against innocent civilians every fucking day, non-stop, never ending. burglaries, car crime, muggings, frauds, violence, organised crime, millions of which directly committed by prohibited drug users and dealers every single day. think of all the money cost in insurances, prosecution costs, funding the police, prison system, court buildings, customs and excise, healthcare systems, DEA and FBI etc. and all that to try and stop summing that is just going to happen anyway.
Most of those crimes would still be committed by drug users regardless of their legality. The only crimes they wouldn't be committing anymore are the ones directly related to drugs. They'd still need money to get their fix, and like you admitted, they'd still be worthless pieces of shit. Why should we condone that? "It's too expensive" is bullshit. The safety and wellbeing of the people is never too expensive.
And if we wanted to go all the way with solving this problem, bullets are cheaper than any of those things. Kill 'em all and see how many follow in their footsteps. Making an example of drug users now and exterminating them is a cheap solution and will make future pieces of shit think before they stoop to your level. Maybe they'll turn their lives around where you couldn't, because they're more terrified of ending up in a mass grave than they are curious about escaping their miserable lives for a few hours. -
2019-06-14 at 6:18 AM UTCso we should make it all legal because right now drug users commit so many violent and property crimes
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2019-06-14 at 6:49 AM UTC
Originally posted by HTS Like I said, they should. And coffee, after age restricting it for a while to make its criminality more palatable.
Maybe, but I put to YOU that not all of them started as total fucking losers. That their lives spiralled out of control because they started doing drugs and couldn't stop. People who, if they'd never had a sip of alcohol, would never have beaten their wives or raped their kids or whatever fucked up alcoholic stereotype you wanna dream up.
Not just that, but why should we make it easier to do drugs? I mean even if they're going to be worthless pieces of shit either way, maybe they could find peace at some point in life if their lives didn't spiral even further out of control via escapist drug abuse. We shouldn't write off worthless pieces of shit and just say "yeah, let them fuck up their lives with drug addiction, they're already useless". They can get better. You can't, but they can if they don't do drugs.
People see mice hitting the button for cocaine instead of food to the point where they damn near die, and they blame the cocaine. Yeah. Drugs are inanimate, but in vitro they change how you are animated. Significantly. That's why you're addicted to them. If drugs didn't have any effect, you wouldn't use them. It's not stupid to blame the thing that's having an effect on you, even if you are ultimately responsible for the fact that it's having that effect on you. If we got rid of the thing, you wouldn't be able to let it have that effect on you. And since you're obviously too irresponsible to do that for yourself, we have to do it for you. By force, if necessary.
Most of those crimes would still be committed by drug users regardless of their legality. The only crimes they wouldn't be committing anymore are the ones directly related to drugs. They'd still need money to get their fix, and like you admitted, they'd still be worthless pieces of shit. Why should we condone that? "It's too expensive" is bullshit. The safety and wellbeing of the people is never too expensive.
And if we wanted to go all the way with solving this problem, bullets are cheaper than any of those things. Kill 'em all and see how many follow in their footsteps. Making an example of drug users now and exterminating them is a cheap solution and will make future pieces of shit think before they stoop to your level. Maybe they'll turn their lives around where you couldn't, because they're more terrified of ending up in a mass grave than they are curious about escaping their miserable lives for a few hours.
drink and drugs won't make somebody beat their wife if they wasn't predisposed to that type of behavior in the first place. drink and drugs just bring out the real you is all. many people use drink and drugs and don't go doing shitty things like that, so that pretty much proves that reasoning. and you can't seriously suggest that drink or drugs can turn a normal father into an incestuous pedophile, surely?
you say they don't all start as losers, but there is something exclusive to all users that you cannot put down to their drug use that proves that reasoning wrong. their very first use. the very first time they ever use the drug cannot be blamed on their drug use obviously, yet they take that very first hit despite having been subject to the 'drugs are bad' mantra their whole lives, yet they go and do it anyway.Not just that, but why should we make it easier to do drugs? I mean even if they're going to be worthless pieces of shit either way, maybe they could find peace at some point in life if their lives didn't spiral even further out of control via escapist drug abuse. We shouldn't write off worthless pieces of shit and just say "yeah, let them fuck up their lives with drug addiction, they're already useless". They can get better. You can't, but they can if they don't do drugs.
well that hasn't shown to be the case over the last 50 or 60 years of prohibition so its not likely to change now on a mass scale that would have any significance.
and as for the expense, prohibition pushes the prices up to such a ridiculous extent that most people couldn't even begin to afford it. yet drugs like diamorphine and cocaine are actually ridiculously cheap to produce. a 30ml shot of clinical diamorphine costs less than 10 cents to produce. yet on the streets the same prohibited dose would cost 20 bucks.People see mice hitting the button for cocaine instead of food to the point where they damn near die, and they blame the cocaine. Yeah. Drugs are inanimate, but in vitro they change how you are animated. Significantly. That's why you're addicted to them. If drugs didn't have any effect, you wouldn't use them. It's not stupid to blame the thing that's having an effect on you, even if you are ultimately responsible for the fact that it's having that effect on you. If we got rid of the thing, you wouldn't be able to let it have that effect on you. And since you're obviously too irresponsible to do that for yourself, we have to do it for you. By force, if necessary.
seriously are you high? those mice are not only of lower intelligence, but are lab mice that have the most depressing existence living in a cage in a lab. they are all kept completely isolated so as to not affect the results, yet they are sociable animals like ourselves. they are having the end results of a loser lifestyle forcefully imposed on them. not surprising they'd do anything to break up the stress and mind numbing boredom and depression their existence must cause them.
and at what point during the last 60 years of prohibition has it 'got rid of it' for anybody?
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2019-06-14 at 7:07 AM UTCclearly sean you've really no, or very little, actual real life experience of real hard drug addiction. and like most people, just look at addicts and judge them based largely on the war on drugs propaganda, that like everyone else you've been exposed to your whole life. this is why your arguments are so weak here.
the fact is that drug prohibition is really only protecting the public from the harm that prohibiting the drugs in the first place are causing. and its not even doing a particularly strong job of doing that either.
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2019-06-14 at 7:14 AM UTCcigarettes is more addictive to heroin
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2019-06-14 at 7:17 AM UTCguise once they make heroin meth and crack legal it will be super cheap and abundant, so that way cragg heads wont be forced to bust your car windows out to steal your dollar of spare change, aux cord, and tire iron. they will just take their happy crystals and be total flower children. it will be super cheap just like legal is happening with weedThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2019-06-14 at 7:23 AM UTCproviding those greedy control freaks don't go using it as a cash cow and go tax the shit out of it.
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2019-06-14 at 7:30 AM UTCmy campaign slogan is TAX-FREE SMACK FOR SMACKHEADS 4 WORLDPEACE N ALL
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2019-06-14 at 9:49 AM UTC
Originally posted by hydromorphone It would cut the balls right off the cartels by legalizing all drugs. It would end street violence. Overdoses would go down due to KNOWING the purity because it would all be pharmaceutical grade. It would make it easier for people to seek help to end addiction due to stigmas being lessened and government money going toward education, harm reduction, and help with addiction if it were legalized rather than toward "the war on drugs".
Just to name a few things off the top of my head.
This a 100 percent but we all know it would never happen atleast in our lifetime. As long as we have private prisons drugs will remain illegal. And as long as doctors keeping pushing opiates then denying people in legit pain drugs I dont see how its gonna be legalized.
