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2019-05-16 at 3:13 PM UTCThe US doesn't have anything remotely justifiable for declaring war on Iran right now. The populace is already unhappy with the status quo. I don't think they need to be so drastic. It's more likely they'd get a coalition of the stupid together (gulf states mostly as well as Pakistan and Israel and other regional allies looking for more influence) to make a push for regime change.
The idea of the US putting boots on the ground in Iran is just flat out not going to happen. Although Trump is an idiot who doesn't listen to people, he became acutely aware of his stupid that idea was early on in his presidency when he had advisors look into it and conclude it was stupid.
Dragging the US back into the middle East is in no one's best interest and would cause too much shit for far too little benefit. The goal is to pull the strings while regional forces do their work covertly or militarily -
2019-05-16 at 3:13 PM UTC
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2019-05-16 at 3:20 PM UTC
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2019-05-16 at 3:53 PM UTC
Originally posted by Sudo The US doesn't have anything remotely justifiable for declaring war on Iran right now. The populace is already unhappy with the status quo. I don't think they need to be so drastic. It's more likely they'd get a coalition of the stupid together (gulf states mostly as well as Pakistan and Israel and other regional allies looking for more influence) to make a push for regime change.
The idea of the US putting boots on the ground in Iran is just flat out not going to happen. Although Trump is an idiot who doesn't listen to people, he became acutely aware of his stupid that idea was early on in his presidency when he had advisors look into it and conclude it was stupid.
Dragging the US back into the middle East is in no one's best interest and would cause too much shit for far too little benefit. The goal is to pull the strings while regional forces do their work covertly or militarily
trump wanted to pull out badly and wanted to just poke iran a bit.
its the swamp thats grabbing his ass and pushing him to push deeper into iran.
also, have you forgotten resolution 1441 ? -
2019-05-16 at 3:58 PM UTC
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2019-05-16 at 4:05 PM UTC
Originally posted by Sudo make a push for regime change.
There's a reason they've been trying and failing that card for the last 60 years.
As for their current problems, from what I can tell the majority of their current unrest is economic, and the people as a whole know that it's largely external pressure with little the government can do about it... Not the stupid 'hijab freedom' nonsense that's been seeded everywhere these last few years. If there's widespread desire for structural change, well... That's what the Basij is for.
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny a few jedi-style surgical strikes maybe
Do you think Iran would just take it? They have missiles that can reach the US, but why would they even need to when they can just rain TBMs down on Tel Aviv? -
2019-05-16 at 4:07 PM UTCAlso, lol, 'surgical strikes'... The most precise weapon they have, UAVs, have been found to kill bystanders instead of the target in something like 70% of the times they were used in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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2019-05-16 at 5:58 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra Do you think Iran would just take it? They have missiles that can reach the US, but why would they even need to when they can just rain TBMs down on Tel Aviv?
idk, in today's time when its cool to be victim who knows ? you have to keep in mind that these iranians, as islamic as they are, are still trying to court european trades and investments.
attacking israel might just serve to isolate them even further into a hermit republic.
Originally posted by aldra Also, lol, 'surgical strikes'… The most precise weapon they have, UAVs, have been found to kill bystanders instead of the target in something like 70% of the times they were used in Iraq and Afghanistan.
i blame it all on shitty intel and the attitude of the operators who generally couldnt care less and just want to blow things up.
i'm sure you've seen the wikileak war tapes where uav operators were order to fire upon a bunch of people. the same attitude goes into their intel collection and target identification as well i think.
also, i believe 'precision strike' to mean its accurate down to a few square blocks. -
2019-05-16 at 7:54 PM UTCThe way I see it, Russia with fire a highly-advanced EMP weapon at the United States. The United States will be devastated and all the so-called leaders will run for the hills. That's the trigger which sets everything else into motion. The Great Tribulation. Armageddon. Times such as this world has never seen, nor will ever see again. Also, the Nemesis system arrives, to wreak havoc on the entire planet.
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2019-05-16 at 8:46 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra Also, lol, 'surgical strikes'… The most precise weapon they have, UAVs, have been found to kill bystanders instead of the target in something like 70% of the times they were used in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Why do all thesebystandersTerrorists keep attending weddings, just wait for the funeral.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-05-16 at 9:18 PM UTClul
I remember reading about the Saudis bombing a Yemeni wedding and killing half the family... Then bombing the funeral and killing the other half -
2019-05-16 at 9:27 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra lul
I remember reading about the Saudis bombing a Yemeni wedding and killing half the family… Then bombing the funeral and killing the other half
Through that ordeal the US (under drone happy obama) came up with an assessment of what an innocent Yemeni life was worth and I feel it was 10 or 20k. Yemenis get fucked for days but they're resolute. It's crazy the Houthis are still fighting in Sanna.
A fight with Iran would devolve into sectarianism quickly with caveman extremist whahabbis fighting relatively more intelligent and well trained Shia militia fighters and Hezabollah.
There is not going to be any fight with Iran lead by the West anytime soon. Tensions are heightened but barring some huge cataclysmic event things will stay the same -
2019-05-16 at 9:31 PM UTCAnd now according to the nyt Trump told Pentagon chief he specifically doesn't want war. So now they know what he's thinking because he's a fucking genius
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2019-05-16 at 9:32 PM UTC
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2019-05-16 at 9:55 PM UTC
Originally posted by Sudo Through that ordeal the US (under drone happy obama) came up with an assessment of what an innocent Yemeni life was worth and I feel it was 10 or 20k. Yemenis get fucked for days but they're resolute. It's crazy the Houthis are still fighting in Sanna.
A fight with Iran would devolve into sectarianism quickly with caveman extremist whahabbis fighting relatively more intelligent and well trained Shia militia fighters and Hezabollah.
There is not going to be any fight with Iran lead by the West anytime soon. Tensions are heightened but barring some huge cataclysmic event things will stay the same
Yemeni are actually taking the fight to KSA now, they've crushed some southern territories and disabled the major East-West oil pipeline.
How do you see the US-Iranian conflict progressing then? Do you think the US will back down? Will Iran shut down all their exports to appease the US? -
2019-05-16 at 9:59 PM UTC
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2019-05-16 at 10:15 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra Yemeni are actually taking the fight to KSA now, they've crushed some southern territories and disabled the major East-West oil pipeline.
How do you see the US-Iranian conflict progressing then? Do you think the US will back down? Will Iran shut down all their exports to appease the US?
The US will have to back down in some ways, or at least can't implement "maximum pressure" as Iran has far too many regional allies. Russia will act as a mediator or at least have a say in the matter. The US can keep their tariffs and may implement an embargo denying trade with america for countries that deal with them -
2019-05-16 at 10:50 PM UTC
Originally posted by Sudo The US will have to back down in some ways, or at least can't implement "maximum pressure" as Iran has far too many regional allies. Russia will act as a mediator or at least have a say in the matter. The US can keep their tariffs and may implement an embargo denying trade with america for countries that deal with them
If you're talking about embargo denying trade to countries that deal with Iran, there's no way unless they do a silly willy kind of "waiver" program so that China gets a feee pass, because there's no way the US and China won't trade, and there's no way China is letting go of Iranian oil supply because the US doesn't want them to. -
2019-05-16 at 11:03 PM UTC
Originally posted by DietYellow no way the US and China won't trade, and there's no way China is letting go of Iranian oil supply because the US doesn't want them to.
These don't seem outrageos to me, the US was trying to found a co-prosperity sphere in asia excluding china recently. Literally trying to isolate them. -
2019-05-17 at 4 AM UTCI guess I'm not sure how that would affect American factories in China. I mean if they're excluded then it would potentially possibly work, but I mean not trading with China would fuck both economies so bad I don't think either could do it long term. China not trading with US would be more likely, but Americans would simply not stand for such a reckless blow to the market like that.
