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We have a moral obligation to stop eating alcohol
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2019-05-16 at 2:34 AM UTCAlcohol is responsible for the deaths of millions, alcohol is a leading cause of death, and death by car accident, and has NO NUTRITIONAL VALUE compared to grain and fruit.
Meat has more nutritional value than alcohol, because alcohol has none, so meat is much more morally good than alcohol, which is purely destructive and bad and we have a moral obligation to stop eating alcohol. -
2019-05-16 at 2:34 AM UTCDON'T DRINK SHAME.
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2019-05-16 at 2:35 AM UTCImagine not eating meat because it's a "waste of food production grounds" and then drinking alcohol lmao.
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2019-05-16 at 2:36 AM UTCI have a practical obligation to stop "eating" alcohol.
I started meticulously tracking every calorie this morning, and nearly half my daily caloric intake comes from the devil's nectar. -
2019-05-16 at 2:37 AM UTC
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2019-05-16 at 2:40 AM UTC"Yaaaa, but plants don't feel paaaiaiaiannnnnnn!!!!"
So does that mean the children eating shit out of boob-skin bowls don't feel a sting in their bellies? Hypocritical bullshit if you ask me. -
2019-05-16 at 2:44 AM UTC
Originally posted by DietYellow Oh I don't, I certainly don't.
I know. I was being facetious for the most part.
Originally posted by DietYellow I find it absurd that vegans think it is morally bad to eat meat because it keeps food from going into little beejee's belly, but then they down a boot full of Black Velvet.
I'm not sure I really understand the hypocrisy here.
Originally posted by DietYellow Imagine not eating meat because it's a "waste of food production grounds" and then drinking alcohol lmao.
I'm not a vegan myself, so I'm not particularly familiar with all the different arguments in favor of adopting it (and I'm not gonna read that whole thread in one sitting just to gain such familiarity), but, I always thought the main ethical argument for veganism is centered entirely around defending the rights of animals (an argument I can actually sympathize with).
And in that vein, alcohol is entirely "kosher/halal" for vegans because the only living things involved are plants (grains, etc) and yeast, none of which any reasonable person has ever claimed could experience pain/suffering in any capacity. -
2019-05-16 at 3:06 AM UTC
Don't just take my word for it:
but lanny, alcohols are evil.
for every gallons of alcohol you consume, an equal amount of gallon of CO2 is released. worse when its colored alcohols, like whiskeys and cognacs because then, trees, normally harmless oaks that do nothing but mind their own business of slurping up dioxides of carbon and refurbishing them into oxygen in the forests would have to be chopped down, turned into barrels and charred.
producing loads of carbon. and its dioxides. even worse is when these brandies and whiskies need to be pass thru charcoal enhancements, because then, blocks of virgin oaks would have to be chopped up and burnt, releasing an even greater amount of CO2, just to produce lumps of single use charcoal for charcoal enhancements.
we have moral obligations to stop drinking alcohols and its high time we let the need of the environment trump our need to be intoxicated. -
2019-05-16 at 3:09 AM UTCYou see, alcohol is utterly unnecessary and has NO NUTRITIONAL VALUE, so to turn food crops into nutritionally worthless liquid (if you can call it that), is a moral sin.
Moreso, people are 20x more likely to murder someone else under the influence of alcohol, we can't have that in a morally good society. -
2019-05-16 at 3:11 AM UTC
Originally posted by gadzooks I know. I was being facetious for the most part.
I'm not sure I really understand the hypocrisy here.
I'm not a vegan myself, so I'm not particularly familiar with all the different arguments in favor of adopting it (and I'm not gonna read that whole thread in one sitting just to gain such familiarity), but, I always thought the main ethical argument for veganism is centered entirely around defending the rights of animals (an argument I can actually sympathize with).
And in that vein, alcohol is entirely "kosher/halal" for vegans because the only living things involved are plants (grains, etc) and yeast, none of which any reasonable person has ever claimed could experience pain/suffering in any capacity.
Nonononono, we Moral Agents are about the REDUCTION OF PAIN, therfor to cause other beings to suffer needlessly when it can totally be reversed is a MORALLY BAD SIN. Such is the case with the malnourished being slaughtered by the vodka guzzling lannys of the world. -
2019-05-16 at 3:14 AM UTC
Originally posted by DietYellow but lanny, alcohols are evil.
for every gallons of alcohol you consume, an equal amount of gallon of CO2 is released. worse when its colored alcohols, like whiskeys and cognacs because then, trees, normally harmless oaks that do nothing but mind their own business of slurping up dioxides of carbon and refurbishing them into oxygen in the forests would have to be chopped down, turned into barrels and charred.
producing loads of carbon. and its dioxides. even worse is when these brandies and whiskies need to be pass thru charcoal enhancements, because then, blocks of virgin oaks would have to be chopped up and burnt, releasing an even greater amount of CO2, just to produce lumps of single use charcoal for charcoal enhancements.
we have moral obligations to stop drinking alcohols and its high time we let the need of the environment trump our need to be intoxicated.
Ahh okay, I see what you're getting at.
But the thing is, one could use the same line of reasoning to make a moral/ethical case against just about anything.
I mean, why not completely eliminate absolutely all trace of human carbon footprint? If all humans stopped reproducing... Or even committed mass suicide... Then there would be no more carbon footprint whatsoever (of human origin, at least).
Arguments in favor of preserving the environment are technically within the domain of ethics, but reducing potential harms against future organisms is in a whole other ballpark from the question of pain/suffering experienced by currently living organisms. -
2019-05-16 at 3:15 AM UTC
Originally posted by DietYellow You see, alcohol is utterly unnecessary and has NO NUTRITIONAL VALUE, so to turn food crops into nutritionally worthless liquid (if you can call it that), is a moral sin.
Moreso, people are 20x more likely to murder someone else under the influence of alcohol, we can't have that in a morally good society.
Nutrition isn't our only moral goal for humanity. -
2019-05-16 at 3:17 AM UTCThe moral goal is the reduction of pain say the utilitarian.
alaso, that was a repoast of benny, not a resrious one,. the rest are serious. -
2019-05-16 at 3:18 AM UTCWhile we're at it, we should also ban motor vehicles. There have been roughly 30,000 human fatalities caused by motor vehicle accidents per year in the U.S. alone.
And, obviously, we would also have to ban just about all other drugs too while we're at it.
And probably a plethora of other modern conveniences as well. -
2019-05-16 at 3:26 AM UTCYes, but motor vehicles are extremely USEFUL and have a really high amount of UTILITY.
Alcohol has no utility to facilitate morality. It has just the opposite, it retards ability to do what is moral. Conveniences are like cars, they are USEFUL and free up time to go be moral. Alcohol wastes moral-being time, makes you retarded somewhat, makes you 20x more likely to be violent, or injure or kill someone else, and does absolutely nothing to save you time or resources in any way, like a convenience does. It does the opposite because it is immoral and takes food resources, which have utility, and turns them into something that has negative utility. -
2019-05-16 at 3:35 AM UTC
Originally posted by DietYellow Yes, but motor vehicles are extremely USEFUL and have a really high amount of UTILITY.
Alcohol has no utility to facilitate morality. It has just the opposite, it retards ability to do what is moral. Conveniences are like cars, they are USEFUL and free up time to go be moral. Alcohol wastes moral-being time, makes you retarded somewhat, makes you 20x more likely to be violent, or injure or kill someone else, and does absolutely nothing to save you time or resources in any way, like a convenience does. It does the opposite because it is immoral and takes food resources, which have utility, and turns them into something that has negative utility.
If we're actually speaking utilitarian terms, then, trust me, there are plenty of people who place way more "utility" on alcohol than things like motor vehicles.
The original utilitarian argument referred to "units of pleasure/happiness." I derive way more units of pleasure/happiness from alcohol than I do from the convenience of being able to drive places.
Either the concept of "utility" refers to usefulness/efficiency (in which case, my example scenario above, where all of humanity commits mass suicide, would be the most "utilitarian" thing to do), or...
If we're using it in it's original sense, then, there's absolutely nothing wrong with alcohol, even if tons of people die as a result of it's broadly accepted use. The needs of the many (those who enjoy alcohol) outweigh the needs of the few (those who die as a result, whether directly or indirectly, of alcohol). -
2019-05-16 at 3:43 AM UTC
Originally posted by gadzooks Either the concept of "utility" refers to usefulness/efficiency (in which case, my example scenario above, where all of humanity commits mass suicide, would be the most "utilitarian" thing to do), or…
I feel the need to elaborate on this point...
What I meant to get at with that was that absolute efficiency (without concern for happiness of individual human beings) would be best achieved if we replaced all human life with machines/robots.
If human needs matter, then we're pretty much stuck with regular old "pleasure/happiness"-based utilitarianism, which means that alcohol has to stick around. Millions of people enjoy alcohol, while only a small percentage of that suffer as a result. -
2019-05-16 at 5:34 AM UTC
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2019-05-16 at 5:39 AM UTCSoajjjh I never fuck3d a cat mint.
Does it mean I never got a new cat and cut its tongue off into mint shapes and ate them while making out with nothing -
2019-05-16 at 8:09 AM UTCPopcorn fuck me
