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Industrial scale synthesis of MDMA from paper pulp wastewater
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2019-03-18 at 6:44 AM UTCApparently the production of paper products from wood produces something called "catechol amines" which can be used to make MDp2P which is a precursor to MDMA. Here is how to do it
2-allyl-catechol from wastewater. This stuff gets disposed of at cost as a byproduct from the paper manufacturing process but in my country it actually gets recycled and diverted to illegal clandestine labs and converted into mdp2p and eventually ecstasy that makes it onto worldwide markets
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1385894712007784
https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/eugenol.mdma.html"The next step is the most ground breaking of all. Strike, you're always complaining about how HBr has always proven to be less than ideal when it comes to ether cleavages forming low yields of product with the unfortunate concommitant formation of loads and loads of tar. So naturally, you have little expectations of HBr's efficiency and plenty of doubts that it will ever be appied to any worthwhile degree to the formation of that oh-so-desirable catechol species we're all after. Well, I think I've found exactly what you've been looking for: A method whereby ether cleavage is effected rather cleanly, in high yield, simply, using a readily available reagent, in a short amount of time. Here we go:"
'Musings on the topic of synthesizing MDMA from Eugenol
MDMA from Eugenol - Someone was asking how this could be done.
What would happen if you heated eugenol with alkali to 200° C? Protocatechuic Acid has been prepared from vanillin by heating vanillin at 240 C with KOH/NaOH. I A Pearl, Org. Syn. Coll. Vol. 3, p 745 What could you expect if you treated Eugenol to similar conditions? 2-allyl-catechol? If this was methylenated it would give isosafrole."
"To your isopropyl-catechol add:
1.5 mole equivalent of strong alkali [NaOH or KOH]
four mole equivalent of DCM [dichloromethane]
one-tenth mole equivalent of PTC [available from "hair conditioner" or "fabric conditioner" or both]
a trace of iodine [1/100 mole equivalent will do] or an iodide. [available OTC as "Tincture of iodine", or you can get iodine from seaweed (if this sounds tedious - remember that I said no lab. chemicals were needed). The iodine is needed to act as a promoter in this reaction.
Stir vigorously [750 rpm] at reflux for several hours. [The articles above mentioned the use of pressure but I think they use pressure in order to carry out the reaction at a temperature above that of the bp of DCM - the reaction is faster at the higher temperatures].
Isolate and purify the MD-P2-Pol produced - this could be quite tedious. I can think of no other method apart from fractional vacuum distillation."
this was written 20 years ago and has been perfected by clandestine industrial chemists, there are no TEKS or writeups how to do it but the science does exist the proof is in the pudding. You can make drugs from toxic waste and criminal organizations hire real chemists to figure this stuff out and keep it secret from the public so there is less regulation and they are able to operate with impunity. Nobody gives a fuck about catechol but if you get enough you can make drugs from it, you can buy or make it but getting it for free and hiring actual chemists to perform tests is the best way.
Obviously this is not publically available anywhere but it is how actual criminal groups produce MDMA in the modern day where I liveThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-03-18 at 6:49 AM UTCWhile we on the topic...
How does one acquire DCM?
It seems to be an incredibly common precursor to a lot of syntheses.
It happens to be one I need ASAP. -
2019-03-18 at 6:55 AM UTCI bet all of this is illegal as fuck.
Do you have a good hiding place -
2019-03-18 at 7:04 AM UTC
Originally posted by gadzooks While we on the topic…
How does one acquire DCM?
It seems to be an incredibly common precursor to a lot of syntheses.
It happens to be one I need ASAP.
i mean its just solvent you can legally order it from ebay but the hazmat shipping is usually in the hundreds of dollars. I had a hard time getting it in lower mainland because I was in bumfuck nowhere but you are closer to civilization so there might be a chemhouse to buy some, sourcing is A LOT more difficult than actually making drugs.
What are you trying to do that calls for it? You can probably just replace it with something cheap and easy to find.. people just prefer it because it has certain properties that make it useful for certain applications, it's a very cheap solvent in terms of buying it in large quantity it costs bascially nothing to produce and isn't watched or on any lists but it's hard to find someone that will outright sell you a small amount. amateur chemist struggles
Originally posted by Krow I bet all of this is illegal as fuck.
Do you have a good hiding place
not where I live, methylamine is legal which is funny because it was an entire plot point in breaking bad and its illegal as fuck in USA. Also amateur chemistry is legal and this is all strictly speculation and nerd B.S'ing so who really cares? -
2019-03-18 at 7:14 AM UTC
Originally posted by Ghost i mean its just solvent you can legally order it from ebay but the hazmat shipping is usually in the hundreds of dollars. I had a hard time getting it in lower mainland because I was in bumfuck nowhere but you are closer to civilization so there might be a chemhouse to buy some, sourcing is A LOT more difficult than actually making drugs.
What are you trying to do that calls for it? You can probably just replace it with something cheap and easy to find..
It's essentially for this GABA to GBL synthesis...
https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/gaba2ghb.htmlExtracting the goods
There are many options for this. This is still a work in progress, but after about 20 runs, I came to use this work up. You can use ethyl acetate (EtOAc), chloroform or methylene chloride (dichloromethane aka DCM) to perform the solvent extractions. I have normally used DCM as it's nice since the organic layer drops to the bottom of the separatory funnel.
Setup for a simple distillation.
Distill, throwing out the first 5-10mls, or so, of distillate as it will contain a fair amount of nitric oxides. Distill off as much water as possible, basically until the sodium chloride starts to saturate the aqueous layer and precipitate out.
The remainder of the distillate (approximately 700ml) will contain approximately 1g GBL/10ml.
Treat the remainder of the distillate with NaHCO3 at reflux for 30 mins
Boil with about a 5% volume of activated charcoal (ie 35ml activated charcoal) (compared to the volume of the solution) for 5-10mins.
Allow it to cool and enhancement, wash the charcoal with distilled water. Save the NaGHB.
With the remainder of the aqueous, extract 5 times with 625ml portions of DCM.
Distill off the DCM (reuse that DCM!).
Distill the GBL (under vacuum if available).
React with NaHCO3 and distilled water and treat with activated charcoal as before.
They do mention that there are suitable alternatives, but apparently DCM is the solvent of choice by whomever wrote the write-up.
I'm still in the research phase on exactly how interchangeable these different solvents are. -
2019-03-18 at 7:14 AM UTC
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2019-03-18 at 7:20 AM UTC
Originally posted by gadzooks WHAT.
THE.
FUCK.
Isn't that a precursor for like dozens of organic syntheses?
totally legal in canada lel, we are too slow to catch on/asian bribe the regultors to keep it legal so they can import 1000kg and cook meth and MDMA for international markets
also lol I found a source
http://plasticworld.ca/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=148
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2019-03-18 at 7:21 AM UTCFucking beautiful.
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2019-03-18 at 12:09 PM UTCJust use chloroform if you don't want to deal with finding the other shit
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2019-03-22 at 3:17 AM UTCMETH IS LEGAL IN CANADA? Weed isn't even fully legal yet.
fuck is wrong with your country? Meth is shit. -
2019-03-22 at 3:18 AM UTC
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2019-03-22 at 3:22 AM UTC
Originally posted by Krow METH IS LEGAL IN CANADA? Weed isn't even fully legal yet.
fuck is wrong with your country? Meth is shit.
No but this stuff is legal
"In the United States, methylamine is controlled as a List 1 precursor chemical by the Drug Enforcement Administration due to its use in the illicit production of methamphetamine."
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2019-03-22 at 3:32 AM UTCShieeeet, my dad use to pump anhydrous ammonia directly into the ground on his corn fields. He stopped because it "killed all the worms" and he was kinda scared of it. You coulda got all your little heart could transport back in those days. Extremely cheep.
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2019-03-22 at 3:36 AM UTCI used to work for a farm supply that sold anhydrous except everyone called it 88-0-0 which is how it was written on all the labels. I have heard of people using farm grade ammonia to make meth and there is some kind of weird additive they put in it to prevent people from doing so
also this
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3793278/
"One-pot methamphetamine conversion
Trials were conducted using the one-pot procedure (Supplement 2) on Sudafed® tablets (control) and Impede™ technology tablets (test). Three different primary non-polar solvents were tested. Heptane/ether mix (automotive starter fluid), and hexanes were evaluated as a single trial for each whereas petroleum distillates (camper fuel) was performed as duplicate trials. Each trial used 100 crushed tablets containing 30 mg of pseudoephedrine HCl. Initially, a consistent amount of non-polar solvent was present on top of the insoluble drug products and added reactants. Once the reaction commenced (Step 7), the control and test articles progressed differently. The texture of the control reaction solids remained granular with the non-polar layer remaining visibly unchanged in volume. The Impede™ technology tablet polymer matrix became coarse and ultimately swelled to subsume a large amount of the non-polar layer. This mixture also entrapped gas bubbles throughout the reaction and gas pockets could be seen throughout the solids at the completion of the reaction. Subsequently, less than half of the solvent was recovered after enhancementing the reaction mixture.
The results of all trials for the control and Impede™ technology tablets are shown in Table 3. The one-pot reaction experiments for the control resulted in a mean methamphetamine HCl yield of 1.81 g/reaction for a mean yield of 67% relative to the 2.7 g theoretical 100% yield. The range of methamphetamine recovery for control was 1.44–2.10 g. The Impede reaction experiments resulted in a mean methamphetamine HCl yield of 1.02 g/reaction for a mean yield of 38%. The range of methamphetamine HCl recovery for Impede was 0.77–1.33 g. In all reactions, Impede resulted in a lower yield than control regardless of the solvent type used. Overall, Impede™ technology tablets are 44% lower in mean total methamphetamine recovery relative to the control. In general the methamphetamine recovery results were fairly consistent for the three solvents tested with a relative standard deviation for all four trials at 15.1 and 22.4% for control and Impede, respectively." -
2019-03-22 at 3:40 AM UTCi think they arent really trying to make a truly meth resistant sudafed on purpose
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2019-03-22 at 3:42 AM UTCThey only reason they had to in the first place is to shut up the government, and all that did was help out mexican superlabs
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2019-03-22 at 3:44 AM UTCi might need to buy a meth E-Kit before the government shuts down the dark web. I'm seriously concerned that the whole darknet thing is gonna come crashing down sometime fairly soon. It's too easy.
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2019-03-22 at 3:50 AM UTCWhat is, like everything to cook a batch in a box?
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2019-03-27 at 2:36 AM UTC
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2019-03-27 at 11:25 PM UTCWhy not find a good link for some quality MDMA instead of synth shite?
