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2019-03-16 at 6:45 PM UTCMy cousins farm bees (along with organic pigs and maple syrup [in Iowa somehow] and other crap) so maybe I'll ask them to send me some for a couple bucks.
But anyway, the bee extinction is making the price of honey reedonkulous (sp?). like 4 bucks for a honey bear bottle and closer to 7 for raw honey. Borrowed a bottle of raw unenhancemented from the store today becaouse fuck that.
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2019-03-16 at 7:11 PM UTCPollution and artificial flavoring have both brought about the demise of the honey industry. It's kind of fucked up. Honey used to be used in all sorts of products and now they just use corn syrup and synthesize shit like hydroxymethyl furfural and cis-3-hexanol from plants so that it can still be considered 'natural'.
Shit has been going on since way before pollution was found to be killing off bees. I mean how do you compete with a bee farm when niggas are using chestnut tree bark to create the same flavors for cheaper. There's a reason the agricultural industry in America is so damn subsidized. -
2019-03-16 at 7:13 PM UTCyeah, how dare we spend less money on food.
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2019-03-16 at 7:21 PM UTC
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2019-03-16 at 7:22 PM UTC"How do you compete?"
I mean, the honey industry is doing fine? Honey is expensive? -
2019-03-16 at 7:29 PM UTC
Originally posted by DietPiano "How do you compete?"
I mean, the honey industry is doing fine? Honey is expensive?
The point is that the honey industry (among most every other agricultural industry) is heavily subsidized because we've spent the last century using science to create fake flavors, and generally just trying to buff out our food at the cost of nutrition. It isn't just bees dying which causes the price of honey to rise.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-03-16 at 10:27 PM UTCI mean, I agree that synthetic food ingredients usually aren't as nutritious, however they do help to reduce the cost and improve the shelf life of many foodstuffs. I think the use of synthetic food products is contributing to obesity though, as they're primarily contained in processed food, which is mostly to blame for obesity. As with most things, it's a double sword.
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2019-03-16 at 10:38 PM UTC“borrowed”
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2019-03-16 at 10:40 PM UTC
Originally posted by DietPiano I mean, I agree that synthetic food ingredients usually aren't as nutritious, however they do help to reduce the cost and improve the shelf life of many foodstuffs. I think the use of synthetic food products is contributing to obesity though, as they're primarily contained in processed food, which is mostly to blame for obesity. As with most things, it's a double sword.
IDK how I feel about them. I mean it's absolutely made food more affordable, but most stuff at the grocery store is like, designed to make you want to keep consuming. Like when your body craves antioxidants and shit, maybe you will get a taste for grape (dat post-ingestive feedback.) So you buy a grape flavored drink. But there are actually none of the vitamins that are in grapes in your drink. There's just methylanthranilate and other flavorings under the guise of a proprietized "natural" flavoring mixture, which may TASTE like grape, sure, but it doesn't actually satisfy your body's nutritional desires. So you keep consuming and consuming all these sugars and fats and carbohydrates in an attempt to get the nutrients your food has long been stripped of.
But at the same time we have shit like fortified rice and great crop yields, and nobody in any western country has any excuse to go hungry. So in that way, it's great. Go back to the 1600's and not even the richest man in the world could have the bounty of shit I've got in my fridge right now.
Unfortunately, I don't ever see it changing from double edged sword status. There's no way concern over nutrition will trump concern over money, and the world is already used to all these artificial flavorings. Literally the only solution, it seems like, is to grow all your own shit. But even then you're probably using some sort of GMO seeds that will ripen quicker and grow bigger than a truly natural plant (thus, having less nutrients). I mean have you seen watermelons in the 1800's? There's a reason it used to be considered nigger food lol. -
2019-03-16 at 10:42 PM UTCi love borrowing
it's from ALDI, that super duper pooper cheap ass grocery store that has like, 4 shitty cameras in the entire store and like the abre minimum number of employees that can keep the store stocked. That's gotta be like, the easiest possible place to borrow stuff from. Even Walmart has a few LP/greeters. I'm sure employee borrowing is pretty rampant there. -
2019-03-16 at 10:44 PM UTChoney is worth the money
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2019-03-16 at 10:45 PM UTCI think many people are not aware that flavor in plant based foods is directly related to nutritional value. Those organic strawberries you get from your local farmer's market that are all juicy and dense and sweet? They're way more nutritious than the oversized big booty bitches you buy at Walmart. The very fact that you can taste and recognize the difference is your body's way of measuring nutritional value.
And now we're just tricking the shit out of ourselves with artificial and 'natural' flavorings instead. -
2019-03-16 at 10:46 PM UTCAHIT THE FUCK IP and choke on HonEy §m£ÂgØLThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2019-03-16 at 10:47 PM UTCok, but there's seriously no quality evidence suggesting GMO food is any less nutritious and lots of evidence to the contrary. Say what you will about organic food being better, but non-GMO simply has way more benefits than defecits to it. The guy who invented them is credited with saving like millions of people from starving.
Also hybrid plants like "golden rice" that has nutrients people in poverty were not getting from regular rice. Europe literally turned down like whole shiploads of food supposed to be brought in as aid because it was GMO, causing it all to be wasted. -
2019-03-16 at 10:48 PM UTCI'll give you some of that RAW unenhancemented for free ;)
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2019-03-16 at 10:49 PM UTCOh sorry this is a topical forum.
Lanny forgive me. -
2019-03-16 at 10:58 PM UTC
Originally posted by DietPiano ok, but there's seriously no quality evidence suggesting GMO food is any less nutritious and lots of evidence to the contrary. Say what you will about organic food being better, but non-GMO simply has way more benefits than defecits to it. The guy who invented them is credited with saving like millions of people from starving.
Also hybrid plants like "golden rice" that has nutrients people in poverty were not getting from regular rice. Europe literally turned down like whole shiploads of food supposed to be brought in as aid because it was GMO, causing it all to be wasted.
GMO foods are grown, as I said, to ripen and grow quickly.
Age is a major factor in nutritional value. This goes for everything from fruit to poultry. Yes, some stuff like wheat and rice is genetically fortified to be more nutritious, but they only really do that because rice and wheat are so un-nutritious that it wouldn't be good for people if it wasn't fortified, since our diets are so heavily dependent on them.
It's easy to think that "oh this is ripe now. It must be at it's peak" but fruits which are picked earlier have had less time to absorb nutrients. Ripening is just the appearance of amalyse enzymes and not an actual indicator of nutritional peak.
You could make a GMO food that ripens at a more natural pace, and it would probably be great. Best of both worlds. Size of current GMO foods with the nutritional value and taste of food from your home garden. But it would be less profitable, so they don't do that. It would put them at a considerable disadvantage in today's market. -
2019-03-16 at 11 PM UTCAlso a lot of shit is picked before it is ripe and then artificially ripened, like bananas for instance. This makes them even LESS nutritious.
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2019-03-16 at 11:02 PM UTCSo what you’re saying is we shouldn’t even bother eating.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2019-03-16 at 11:02 PM UTCMy dad is a corn and soybean farmer. The GMOs do not make them mature more quickly.
