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2019-03-10 at 9:40 AM UTCIt's reversible, at least.
So if they find a cure (say, through gene therapy or something like that) one day, then the procedure can be reversed. -
2019-03-10 at 9:42 AM UTCBut I just want you to close your eyes and imagine that it is your own son or daughter who comes to you crying and desperate because they don't know what to do... They just realized that they have pedophilic tendencies, and are at their absolute witt's end about what to do about it.
Do you send them to this castration clinic to live the rest of their lives playing with legos? -
2019-03-10 at 9:45 AM UTCEGGS BENNY DICK
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2019-03-10 at 9:46 AM UTC
Originally posted by gadzooks Man, I like you and all, but I have to step in and say that this shit is pretty fucking over the top.
I agree with age of consent laws. They exist for a reason.
But when people get all sadistic about this shit I find myself sympathizing a lot more for the pedos than the so-called "good guys".
He's probably just a victim of child abuse. And if not, then it doesn't really matter what he has to say because real human beings have empathy, clearly he does not. -
2019-03-10 at 9:48 AM UTC
Originally posted by gadzooks It's reversible, at least.
So if they find a cure (say, through gene therapy or something like that) one day, then the procedure can be reversed.
Let's work on a cure for homosexuality while we're at it. We ought to chemically castrate the gays too, clearly, liking men is unnatural, and therefore must be a mental illness.
Does any of that rub you the wrong way? Because we can either say A all sexual deviancy is mental illness or all sexual deviancy is normal. You can't have it both ways. -
2019-03-10 at 9:54 AM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie He's probably just a victim of child abuse. And if not, then it doesn't really matter what he has to say because real human beings have empathy, clearly he does not.
I also don't even like jumping to that canard either.
My personal theory on it is that it's some kind of mix of motives: a bit of white knighting, combined with some major "ick factor", and a general need to scapegoat.
I mean, if homosexuality is genetically determined (or even determined from early upbringing), then it is entirely outside of one's control. Now, I'm not trying to directly equate adult homosexual sexuality with adult and child sexuality (no offense). But the underlying urge really is equivalent.
Two homosexual adults engaging in intercourse is truly a victimless crime. But, adult on child sexual intercourse, although you may disagree out of totally understandable self-preservation, is, at the very least, a VERY GREY area morally, if not outright wrong. (Obviously there is room for debate about precise age boundaries and so on).
BUT, the urge is not the person's fault in the end, and so any barbaric, sadistic, medieval, or just plain cruel and unusual punishments against someone for being a pedophile is not only unconstitutional, but just, as far as I'm concerned, objectively wrong. -
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2019-03-10 at 9:54 AM UTCI probably just bootstrapped this thread into another twenty pages of the same old tired back and forth, but I'm drunk and had to say my piece.
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2019-03-10 at 9:59 AM UTC
Originally posted by gadzooks Man, I like you and all, but I have to step in and say that this shit is pretty fucking over the top.
I agree with age of consent laws. They exist for a reason.
But when people get all sadistic about this shit I find myself sympathizing a lot more for the pedos than the so-called "good guys".
These people are damaging the trust built into children and creates a fucking horrific phobia of some type. often it is said they themselves will do the same thing. maybe out of anger. creating monsters of people who may have been kind of loving and volunteering. I mean everyone is different growing up regardless if they were pampered or tormented
but the majority will turn to harsh lifestyles. the girls might turn to porn or prostitution. not in a way that they would of chose to do so with using protection and say having a 401k and working in Vegas with a union of adult escorting. Im not saying this is a good lifestyle but many chose this seeing they make more money than stay in college and probably love sex and the company of people
while some girl raped at a young age might live on the edge.. hoping it takes her life .. going out hardcore because that's how this fucked up world is (to them)
and with boys.. they may just start killing shitloads of people or run sex trade.
it in no way is acceptable. Ever. it is the one crime that if you go to prison for. You're marked for dead. you will always be getting stabbed or beaten down.
It's the worst possible thing to do to a kid. You fucking insensitive mother fuckers. I have seen sardonic like humor online before. but clearly some of you aren't fucking kidding. -
2019-03-10 at 10:05 AM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie He's probably just a victim of child abuse. And if not, then it doesn't really matter what he has to say because real human beings have empathy, clearly he does not.
I don't often say this but yes. I really was. the beatings were brutal. and people didn't want to get involved in domestic upbringing". "Spare the rod" but yeah.. it was huge sticks, cane, not the leather strap of a belt, but the leather strap of the belt with the metal buckle. getting punched in the nose by a full grown man, breaking it and blood splattering on the wall like a fucking mob hit just occurred.
Moms not calling 9-1-1. it's how it was dealt with. kicked into a closet or having your head slammed into a wall. sometimes in the garage with a nailhead sticking out. a closet with a sliding door.. no locks. "You pretend this is locked.. you come out you get to guess what will happen. then he leaves.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-03-10 at 10:06 AM UTC
Originally posted by Krow These people are damaging the trust built into children and creates a fucking horrific phobia of some type. often it is said they themselves will do the same thing. maybe out of anger. creating monsters of people who may have been kind of loving and volunteering. I mean everyone is different growing up regardless if they were pampered or tormented
but the majority will turn to harsh lifestyles. the girls might turn to porn or prostitution. not in a way that they would of chose to do so with using protection and say having a 401k and working in Vegas with a union of adult escorting. Im not saying this is a good lifestyle but many chose this seeing they make more money than stay in college and probably love sex and the company of people
while some girl raped at a young age might live on the edge.. hoping it takes her life .. going out hardcore because that's how this fucked up world is (to them)
and with boys.. they may just start killing shitloads of people or run sex trade.
it in no way is acceptable. Ever. it is the one crime that if you go to prison for. You're marked for dead. you will always be getting stabbed or beaten down.
It's the worst possible thing to do to a kid. You fucking insensitive mother fuckers. I have seen sardonic like humor online before. but clearly some of you aren't fucking kidding.
I'm not at all trying to diminish the trauma that sexual abuse can have on a child.
I explicitly stated that I approve of age of consent laws.
But when you use demonizing and dehumanizing rhetoric about these people, you aren't helping the problem at all.
I have all kinds of sympathy for anyone who was victimized by sexual abuse as a child.
But think about the fact that the one who did the abuse was once a child themselves.
Do you think kids sit around thinking "oh gee, I can't wait until I'm an adult so I can sexually abuse children"?
The truly tragic thing is that it just fucking happens, and dehumanizing them does not help anything.
I sincerely wish we lived in a world where no child has to endure sexual abuse.
But treating those who commit these heinous acts as inhuman monsters is also unfair.
And, I did kinda pounce on your particular comment a bit harshly, because what you were initially saying was kinda sorta humane in some ways.
I personally have no problem with the idea of chemical castration. AS LONG AS IT IS DONE IN A HUMANE, DIGNIFIED, AND REVERSIBLE FASHION.
Depo-provera (birth control for women) happens to be a relatively effective treatment for various paraphilias. Combine that with a bit of compassion for the affliction, and some quality therapy, and you might actually find sex abuse trauma start dropping on the whole.
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2019-03-10 at 10:20 AM UTCMaybe you're right. they need medical help. lots of people go to mental health (yes including me)
people believe chemical castration is probably the best thing if it's a disease they're born with.
it's really strange that rules of society (not nessisarely laws but common shared beliefs) have changed.. some 180 degrees. we're now supposed to do the opposite. I'm the bad guy for coming off Barbaric.
Maybe you're right. at times I really don't want to get out of bed. the world is really too surreal for me at times. but I do like everyone else does. eventually get up and go through the same grind. when I'm doing my Job.. often it's fun and I get to talk to interesting people. aiding me in my once crippling social problem of being shy.
but when I wake up.. I'm like "Fuck this shit.. and I think about nuclear war and or an asteroid or some pandemic coming and ending this failed cycle of life on this planet. and the meme photo of Da Vinci painting of what looks like a 1950s style TV with a restart button. maybe not that exactly.. but things like that. it's not me wanting to harm the world. it's me thinking this is what we probably deserve and it will happen naturally or mutual applied destruction (or whatever MAD stands for.. something like that)
India and Pakistan are having a small battle right now.. all it takes is one big flare up.. exchange of nukes and it sets off a domino effect -
2019-03-10 at 10:36 AM UTC
Originally posted by Krow Maybe you're right. they need medical help. lots of people go to mental health (yes including me)
people believe chemical castration is probably the best thing if it's a disease they're born with.
it's really strange that rules of society (not nessisarely laws but common shared beliefs) have changed.. some 180 degrees. we're now supposed to do the opposite. I'm the bad guy for coming off Barbaric.
Maybe you're right. at times I really don't want to get out of bed. the world is really too surreal for me at times. but I do like everyone else does. eventually get up and go through the same grind. when I'm doing my Job.. often it's fun and I get to talk to interesting people. aiding me in my once crippling social problem of being shy.
but when I wake up.. I'm like "Fuck this shit.. and I think about nuclear war and or an asteroid or some pandemic coming and ending this failed cycle of life on this planet. and the meme photo of Da Vinci painting of what looks like a 1950s style TV with a restart button. maybe not that exactly.. but things like that. it's not me wanting to harm the world. it's me thinking this is what we probably deserve and it will happen naturally or mutual applied destruction (or whatever MAD stands for.. something like that)
India and Pakistan are having a small battle right now.. all it takes is one big flare up.. exchange of nukes and it sets off a domino effect
You're good people, my man.
Earlier in TinyChat I was trying to get a chance to give you a bit of consolement over all the labels you get tossed your way about being crazy, schizophrenic, paranoid, etc.
I'm not going to lie to you and say that those labels are 100% baseless.
But what you should know is that I don't think I've ever heard anyone say anything truly negative about you when you're not around. The "paranoid" ramblings are a bit of a talking point, but everyone still likes you.
So I hope you stick around despite the occasional label like that. For all I know, some of your theories about all these connections the rest of us aren't seeing might be totally right. -
2019-03-10 at 11:22 AM UTC
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2019-03-10 at 11:34 AM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie Called it. Your disposition is forgiven.
Totse2k1/SpaceCakes/Krow is actually one of the more reasonable "anti-pedo" folks from what I can tell.
I've seen people advocate for much, much worse treatment.
He doesn't strike me as particularly sadistic and revenge driven compared to many out there. -
2019-03-10 at 11:42 AM UTCAlso, Krow, i don't mean to be insensitive. Even though my comment above may seem that way, i sympathize with people who have suffered through child abuse, of any kind. It wasn't as bad as your but my childhood certainly wasn't all roses either. People think that pedo = abuser. But that's simply not true.
Also, Gad said at some point i might argue some of the points i do out of self preservation. Which is incorrect, in fact it would be more productive to just keep my mouth shut about my inner most thoughts and feelings if self-preservation was of concern when i talk about these things. It really boils down to whether you think children of a certain age are mentally capable of giving informed consent. That's quite a can of worms to open but let me tell you that there are many, many examples of children being sexually active in some form or another with or without another person where there is no coercion involved.
You might argue an adult can manipulate a child into thinking whatever was going on is acceptable. And that argument would make sense, but what is the actual issue here. Surely it must be the potential damage done to the child? If the child never experiences anything as damaging or traumatizing then your argument falls through. You might say: "But what makes you the grand arbiter of what is damaging to a child or not?" And i would counter with what makes you that? You might think you have the moral high ground because you percieve me to have ulterior motives but that is discounting the fact i might actually have empathy as well, and wouldn't in any circumstance, purposefully hurt or traumatize a child. Or an adult for that matter.
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2019-03-10 at 11:53 AM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie You might argue an adult can manipulate a child into thinking whatever was going on is acceptable. And that argument would make sense, but what is the actual issue here. Surely it must be the potential damage done to the child? If the child never experiences anything as damaging or traumatizing then your argument falls through. You might say: "But what makes you the grand arbiter of what is damaging to a child or not?" And i would counter with what makes you that? You might think you have the moral high ground because you percieve me to have ulterior motives but that is discounting the fact i might actually have empathy as well, and wouldn't in any circumstance, purposefully hurt or traumatize a child. Or an adult for that matter.
Spare me the moral judgement, you don't know me.
Hey, I'm not trying to claim that adult-child sexual relationships are unequivocally/unilaterally traumatizing. But I'm also not comfortable conceding automatically they aren't.
You're right when you say it's quite a can of worms.
You're a big boy, you don't need me to come to your defense on anything. But, for whatever reason, I have a certain kind of sympathy/empathy for anyone with any kind of obscure so-called "paraphilia".
Sexual drives are absolutely fundamental to human biology and psychology.
I have my own proclivities that are, to my own fortunate fate, totally legal, but they are certainly not simple or anywhere near vanilla.
I have a major femdom problem (and that might be where the two of us differ in our perspectives... I see my paraphilia as a pathology). I don't like that I can only get off by either being humiliated or even physically dominated, or at the very least having to pretend that that's what's happening when I'm having regular vanilla sex.
I like you, and I will come to defense of anyone being treated like some kind of modern day witch or leper for having atypical sexual proclivities, but when it comes to the issue of consent between adult and child, it is a VERY grey area as far as I'm concerned.
So, I dunno, I'm just kinda letting it out there and clearing the air about where I stand.
You're gonna keep doing you, Krow will keep doing him, and all the other folks on here will carry on with whatever their stance is on the subject.
To me it is a very complex subject that needs to be treaded on lightly, and the fervent anti-pedo crowd are not helping in that regard, but, I have to admit, neither are the fervent pro-pedo crowd (like Phantasmagoria, vinny - if he's even being serious and not trolling, I just can't tell with him, etc). -
2019-03-10 at 12:08 PM UTC
Originally posted by gadzooks Hey, I'm not trying to claim that adult-child sexual relationships are unequivocally/unilaterally traumatizing. But I'm also not comfortable conceding automatically they aren't.
You're right when you say it's quite a can of worms.
You're a big boy, you don't need me to come to your defense on anything. But, for whatever reason, I have a certain kind of sympathy/empathy for anyone with any kind of obscure so-called "paraphilia".
Sexual drives are absolutely fundamental to human biology and psychology.
I have my own proclivities that are, to my own fortunate fate, totally legal, but they are certainly not simple or anywhere near vanilla.
I have a major femdom problem (and that might be where the two of us differ in our perspectives… I see my paraphilia as a pathology). I don't like that I can only get off by either being humiliated or even physically dominated, or at the very least having to pretend that that's what's happening when I'm having regular vanilla sex.
I like you, and I will come to defense of anyone being treated like some kind of modern day witch or leper for having atypical sexual proclivities, but when it comes to the issue of consent between adult and child, it is a VERY grey area as far as I'm concerned.
So, I dunno, I'm just kinda letting it out there and clearing the air about where I stand.
You're gonna keep doing you, Krow will keep doing him, and all the other folks on here will carry on with whatever their stance is on the subject.
To me it is a very complex subject that needs to be treaded on lightly, and the fervent anti-pedo crowd are not helping in that regard, but, I have to admit, neither are the fervent pro-pedo crowd (like Phantasmagoria, vinny - if he's even being serious and not trolling, I just can't tell with him, etc).
I don't think my "paraphilia" is a pathology. Therefore i would be a hypocrite if i were to say anyone's proclivities are more or less valid than mine. Here's another can of worms, what makes a pathology a pathology? That's something important to think about in this context.
Also, the pro pedo crowd is just edgy about their sexuality because it triggers normies. And can you blame them? I don't think so, pedos are nearly universally hated. Regardless whether they have ever touched a child inappropriately or not.
Luckily i am non-exclusive so i can like girls up to my age, but God damn, i can't imagine how shitty life would be if i could only like little girls.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-03-10 at 12:12 PM UTCLotta pedos and pedo apologists up in dis here tred.
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