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Do you actually believe in global warming/climate change?
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2019-02-10 at 10:23 PM UTC
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2019-02-10 at 10:53 PM UTCOf course the climate is changing dumb fuck.
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2019-02-11 at 2:26 AM UTCnot caused by humans.
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2019-02-11 at 3:40 AM UTC
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2019-02-11 at 4:43 AM UTC
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2019-02-11 at 6:33 AM UTCthe oldest raw climate data we have is from 2-3million year old ice cores; given the earth is estimated to be over 4 billion years old I don't see how it's possible to read or predict reliable long-term climate patterns
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2019-02-11 at 6:49 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra the oldest raw climate data we have is from 2-3million year old ice cores; given the earth is estimated to be over 4 billion years old I don't see how it's possible to read or predict reliable long-term climate patterns
not to mention glacial subduction zones all over the place so that newer and yoinger ice sheets get shoved inbetween pieces of older ice sheets. -
2019-02-11 at 6:50 AM UTC
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2019-02-11 at 8:26 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra the oldest raw climate data we have is from 2-3million year old ice cores; given the earth is estimated to be over 4 billion years old I don't see how it's possible to read or predict reliable long-term climate patterns
Lol yes the earth is estimated to be that old. But they certainly do not need to go back that far to see the difference in pre/post industrialized human civilization and our contribution to the green house gas situation. -
2019-02-11 at 8:35 AM UTC
Originally posted by larrylegend8383 Lol yes the earth is estimated to be that old. But they certainly do not need to go back that far to see the difference in pre/post industrialized human civilization and our contribution to the green house gas situation.
The climate's always changed and fluctuated though - it's been (on average) both hotter and colder than it is now; we're not entering uncharted territory - if we don't even have an accurate history of the climate changing naturally, how can we reliably separate natural changes from man-made?
Like I've said several times, I definitely support the move toward 'cleaner' and more efficient practices (ie. energy generation, reduction of waste etc) but more often than not 'climate change' is used as a political hammer rather than a push for practical change. People talk about a debate, but for the most part it's pure dogma based on vested interests on both sides. -
2019-02-11 at 9:26 AM UTCYes, the climate will naturally fluctuate. That's not the argument. The part that is concerning to scientists is that yes we are in uncharted territory, because we were not involved in any naturally occurring changes in the past. Now we are.
I think the argument is that along with the natural process, we are now significantly contributing green house gases that could be a very dangerous tipping point in the natural flow. Of course we do not know for sure the exact consequences, but those that deny that this should be taken seriously are foolish. -
2019-02-11 at 10:52 AM UTCNo. I'm the type of guy that upon anyone mentioning how cold it is outside here I retort "yeah *hahahah* so much for global warming am I right??! *laughter intensifies*"
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2019-02-11 at 10:56 AM UTC
think for yourselves. -
2019-02-11 at 11:01 AM UTC
Originally posted by larrylegend8383 I think the argument is that along with the natural process, we are now significantly contributing green house gases that could be a very dangerous tipping point in the natural flow.
That's exactly what I'm questioning - if we don't have a baseline, ie. an accurate prediction of what the climate should've been had there been no industrial revolution (as I said, it doesn't seem that we have enough historical data to make that kind of prediction), how can we quantify man-made change? it's like trying to measure the depth of snow without being able to tell where the ground underneath is. -
2019-02-11 at 11:17 AM UTCSoyboy IV: The Flower of Death and The Crystal of Life African Astronaut [the oppositely able-bodied hop-step-and-jump]
Originally posted by aldra That's exactly what I'm questioning - if we don't have a baseline, ie. an accurate prediction of what the climate should've been had there been no industrial revolution (as I said, it doesn't seem that we have enough historical data to make that kind of prediction), how can we quantify man-made change? it's like trying to measure the depth of snow without being able to tell where the ground underneath is.
What difference does it make?
Doggerland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggerland used to be a thing, now it's under 100 metres of water. -
2019-02-11 at 11:23 AM UTC
Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING IV: The Flower of Death and The Crystal of Life What difference does it make?
Doggerland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggerland used to be a thing, now it's under 100 metres of water.
global warming is just another plot some new bunch of beta menshevicks concocted to sway and manipulate the beta herds into supporting their rise to power.
just another beta upheaval. -
2019-02-11 at 4:23 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra That's exactly what I'm questioning - if we don't have a baseline, ie. an accurate prediction of what the climate should've been had there been no industrial revolution (as I said, it doesn't seem that we have enough historical data to make that kind of prediction), how can we quantify man-made change? it's like trying to measure the depth of snow without being able to tell where the ground underneath is.
Bro they don't need to know what the climate was like 200 million years ago to know what green house gases do and that we are pumping fuck loads of them out. So, given what we do know, it makes sense to do something about it, like you said. -
2019-02-11 at 5 PM UTCSure i believe in climate change. Just not the man-made doomsday variety. The climate has changed loads of times in Earth's history and will continue to do so. Sometimes it's warmer sometimes it's colder. We're still here. So 200k years of our ancestors didn't seem to be much affected.
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2019-02-11 at 6:23 PM UTC
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2019-02-11 at 7:45 PM UTCNo, the Earth is only 12,000 years old. Baby dinosaurs were on Noah's Ark. (My dad believes this)
