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2019-01-15 at 7:02 PM UTC
Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING IV: The Flower of Death and The Crystal of Life Ireland's rich and always was besides a short while during the 20th Century when attempts at economic nationalism wound up collapsing the country due to corruption and incompetence.
can be richer had it been part of the gang and looted from china.Despite what some claim, China is now the big fentanyl producer. Should Americans be salty over that?
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2019-01-15 at 7:06 PM UTCSoyboy IV: The Flower of Death and The Crystal of Life African Astronaut [the oppositely able-bodied hop-step-and-jump]
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2019-01-15 at 7:13 PM UTC
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2019-01-15 at 7:22 PM UTCSoyboy IV: The Flower of Death and The Crystal of Life African Astronaut [the oppositely able-bodied hop-step-and-jump]
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny yes, as an exploitee of the UK.
Not really, Ireland was represented in parliament and all. The country was fairly well off for the time, though all of Europe was very poor by any modern standard - that's why people moved to America where they could get several times the wages.
one of their few white colonies.
Most Irish people were content being part of the UK as well, though they didn't want to get drafted for WW1, and didn't like the English, who, being an unusually cunty race, treated everyone like shit (even each other).
The whole idea of Ireland being completely oppressed and shitty as a result being poor is something Irish Nationalists made up to cover for their failures post independence and lefties in the educational system were only too happy to indoctrinate to kids.
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2019-01-15 at 7:27 PM UTC
Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING IV: The Flower of Death and The Crystal of Life Not really, Ireland was represented in parliament and all. The country was fairly well off for the time, though all of Europe was very poor by any modern standard - that's why people moved to America where they could get several times the wages.
Most Irish people were content being part of the UK as well, though they didn't want to get drafted for WW1, and didn't like the English, who, being an unusually cunty race, treated everyone like shit (even each other).
The whole idea of Ireland being completely oppressed and shitty as a result being poor is something Irish Nationalists made up to cover for their failures post independence and lefties in the educational system were only too happy to indoctrinate to kids.
Same as in Africa right now.
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2019-01-15 at 7:53 PM UTCSoyboy IV: The Flower of Death and The Crystal of Life African Astronaut [the oppositely able-bodied hop-step-and-jump]
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2019-01-16 at 7:18 AM UTC
Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING IV: The Flower of Death and The Crystal of Life Higher wages.
Our diaspora is small, look at how many Brits there are in America and Canada and South Africa and Australia and New Zealand.
no, people leave everything they know behind and go into the unknown only when things get really, really shitty.
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Originally posted by stl1 A controversial look at how the "Great Potato Famine" of Ireland in the 19th century. It was not a famine as there was plenty of food other than potatoes. The British government stood idly by and let millions of Irish die in what is now being called genocide.
A blight upon the potatoes of Ireland forever changed the histories of Ireland, England, and the United States of America. The blight that we now know was a water mold (and not a fungus as originally believed), Phytophthora infestans, attacked the cash crop of the Irish Catholic peasant farmer. This was the crop with which the Irish paid their rent to the English and Protestant landlords.
Starving Irish peasants tried to eat the rotten potatoes and fell ill to cholera and typhus and whole villages were struck down. Many landlords evicted the starving tenants who could be found dying on sides of roads with mouths green from eating grass to fill their bellies. Other families were sent to workhouses where the overcrowding and poor conditions led to more starvation, sickness, and ultimately death. Going to a workhouse was akin to marching to one's own death. Some more sympathetic landlords paid the passage for their tenants to emigrate to America, Canada, and Australia. Ship owners took advantage of the situation and wedged hundreds of diseased and desperate Irish into ships that were hardly sea-worthy for the Trans-Atlantic trip. These ships became known as "coffin ships" as more than one-third of the passengers died on the voyage.
The Irish that did survive the trip to America, Canada, or Australia on the coffin ships drummed up awareness and more importantly, aid in the form of food. But for every one ship sailing into Ireland with food, more were exporting grain-based alcohol, wool and flax, and other necessities such as wheat, oats, barley, butter, eggs, beef, and pork that could have helped feed the Irish people. The Irish themselves were accused of bringing the famine on themselves as they were viewed as a lazy, overpopulated race of people - never mind that they were not legally able to fish or hunt under British law. They starved in the midst of plenty because they were not allowed to provide for themselves and their families by any means other than agriculture.
The Famine, or An Górta Mór, the Great Hunger, took more than one million lives, between those that died of starvation and those that left Ireland for a better life in America or elsewhere in the world. Those who were left behind in Ireland experienced a desperation that led to a massive change in politics and nationalism - it was only a few years later, in 1858 that the Irish Republican Brotherhood was founded. The British government and the British and Irish Protestant landowners still required the Irish peasants and laborers to pay their rent for the land they could not work due to the blight and the hunger upon them. In a lush island surrounded by water teaming with fish and land that fattened pig and cattle alike, how could one failed crop cause a Famine? According to British law, Irish Catholics could not apply for fishing or hunting licenses. Their pigs and cattle were sent to England to feed the British and to export for trade, while the landlords kept the fine cuts for themselves. Ireland was part of the British Empire, the most powerful empire in the world at that time - yet the British government stood by and did nothing to help their subjects overcome this hardship. In our time, an enforced famine such as this would be labeled genocide yet in the 1800s it was merely an unfortunate tragedy. As defined in the United Nation's 1948 Genocide Convention and the 1987 Genocide Convention Implementation Act, the legal definition of genocide is any of the acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, including by killing its members; causing them serious bodily or mental harm; deliberately inflicting on a group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; and forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. The British policy of mass starvation inflicted on Ireland from 1845 to 1850 constituted "genocide" against the Irish People as legally defined by the United Nations. A quote by John Mitchell (who published The United Irishman) states that "The Almighty indeed sent the potato blight, but the English created the Famine.
ENGLISH SCUM ! ! !
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2019-01-16 at 7:28 AM UTCWho gives a shit about Ireland or the UK for that matter? Hope brexit comes along and wipes their red asses out of existence
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2019-01-16 at 7:32 AM UTChmmm....
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2019-01-16 at 8:03 AM UTCI wonder if brexit actually will split up the UK
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2019-01-16 at 8:10 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra I wonder if brexit actually will split up the UK
I don't think they legally could? Idk. The entire political climate of that region is in the staunch "dont give a fuck" zone for me. All Europeans have intermingled so long they pretty much have the same culture anyway.
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2019-01-16 at 8:17 AM UTClul
A major point of contention in Brexit is that both Ireland and Scotland generally want to stay with the EU, and one of the big fears lately is that if England leaves but Ireland stays, Northern Ireland starts enforcing an English passport/citizenship and it restarts the fireworks -
2019-01-16 at 11:14 AM UTCSoyboy IV: The Flower of Death and The Crystal of Life African Astronaut [the oppositely able-bodied hop-step-and-jump]
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny no, people leave everything they know behind and go into the unknown only when things get really, really shitty.
Not true. Europeans are adventurers and move around a lot between the different islands.
Even the Chinese occasionally leave the Celestial Kingdom - everywhere I have ever been there have been loads of Chinese.
The only thing that stopped pretty much all Irish people leaving to go to America was the long journey which was super expensive, took months, was shitty, boring and filthy, and had a high mortality rate even at the best of times.
Around the time of the famine ships got better and bigger, and the country sort of emptied out - it's often blamed on the famine, but the trend continued right throughout the 19th Century and into the 20th - people just didn't see the point in sitting around being poor and miserable when they could be pursuing the American Dream and having a decent standard of living (which was all the American Dream ever meant) instead. -
2019-01-16 at 5:38 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra I wonder if brexit actually will split up the UK
there might not even be one.
i suspect may is secretly colluding with the eu to intentionally negotiate a bad deal to avert the exit.
when presented with a choice of bad deal or no deal, i think most britts would be scared into remaining in the eu like a little chihuahua bitch.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-01-16 at 5:40 PM UTC
Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING IV: The Flower of Death and The Crystal of Life Not true. Europeans are adventurers and move around a lot between the different islands.
Even the Chinese occasionally leave the Celestial Kingdom - everywhere I have ever been there have been loads of Chinese.
The only thing that stopped pretty much all Irish people leaving to go to America was the long journey which was super expensive, took months, was shitty, boring and filthy, and had a high mortality rate even at the best of times.
Around the time of the famine ships got better and bigger, and the country sort of emptied out - it's often blamed on the famine, but the trend continued right throughout the 19th Century and into the 20th - people just didn't see the point in sitting around being poor and miserable when they could be pursuing the American Dream and having a decent standard of living (which was all the American Dream ever meant) instead.
so are hondurans recently.
