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2019-01-04 at 12:08 PM UTC
Originally posted by Obbe If all Chulas are Ubik, and all Ubik gets glomped, will all Chulas get glomped? The logical consequence of this scenario is imaginary and tells us nothing about reality.
I don't know what those things are (some Phillip K Dick shit?) but if all observers wind up coming to the same conclusion then it does tell us something about reality.
The universe consists of both information and stuff, and both of those components follow rules.
Even aliens will have prime numbers and number theory. That's why we say that things in mathematics are discovered, vs being invented.
Aliens will presumably have thought about morality too, though they will surely reject the style of weirdo post-Christian universalist morality Lanny and Zanick are trying to push, or the entitled confused Muslim morality Loing is trying to push. -
2019-01-04 at 12:08 PM UTC
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2019-01-04 at 12:44 PM UTC
Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING III: The Quest for 911 Truth I don't know what those things are (some Phillip K Dick shit?) but if all observers wind up coming to the same conclusion then it does tell us something about reality.
The universe consists of both information and stuff, and both of those components follow rules.
Even aliens will have prime numbers and number theory. That's why we say that things in mathematics are discovered, vs being invented.
Aliens will presumably have thought about morality too, though they will surely reject the style of weirdo post-Christian universalist morality Lanny and Zanick are trying to push, or the entitled confused Muslim morality Loing is trying to push.
Did I just "discover" that all Chulas get glomped, or did I just imagine that up? -
2019-01-04 at 12:48 PM UTC
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2019-01-04 at 2:01 PM UTCTime for my daily shit on this thread.
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2019-01-04 at 2:36 PM UTC
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2019-01-04 at 2:49 PM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny My moral framework in particular, or all moral frameworks? If you deny the existence of factual moral statements as a category then that's a pretty strong position I think you'll need a better defense of than "moral frameworks are imaginary because I say so".
Answer me this,
Torpedo A will hit a boat because it can be logically deduced that it will through mathematical calculations.
Torpedo B will hit because I feel like it will.
Topedo A does not hit the boat, and torpedo B DOES hit the boat.
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2019-01-04 at 9:53 PM UTC
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2019-01-04 at 9:55 PM UTCSpeedy parker, your last two posts are not acceptable given the topic of this thread and the forum it's made in.
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2019-01-04 at 9:58 PM UTC
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2019-01-04 at 10:20 PM UTC
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2019-01-04 at 10:24 PM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny That wasn't what I asked you. Could you please re-read the post you were responding to and answer specifically the question I posed.
That is my answer specific to the question you asked me: you have not demonstrated any moral system exists beyond imagination. Your moral conclusions might logically follow your moral framework, but your moral framework is something you are imagining and so your conclusions are only regarding your imagined framework and tell us nothing about reality. If you imagine all cows are moral agents, and if you imagine killing moral agents is always immoral, the logical conclusion of that is that you imagine killing cows is always immoral. This doesn't tell us anything about reality though, it only tells us the logical conclusion of imagining that cows are moral agents while also imagining that killing moral agents is always immoral.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-01-04 at 10:36 PM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny Speedy parker, your last two posts are not acceptable given the topic of this thread and the forum it's made in.
^ Looks like he's not the only one, so why don't you just take your hypocritical fail-ass out of the thread, stop harassing and chasing users off the site, and then go fuck yourself?The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-01-04 at 10:37 PM UTC
Originally posted by Obbe That is my answer specific to the question you asked me: you have not demonstrated any moral system exists beyond imagination.
It's true, I haven't attempted to justify that any moral system exists beyond imagination yet, because I'd like to make sure we understand eachother when we talk about things like "moral systems", "moral obligations" and "moral facts" as the definitions of these terms will be very important any any justification of them I might give.
In particular, it seems like you've taken a position that moral statements are, by definition, mere statements of opinion. Is that the case?
Originally posted by DietPiano You didn't answer my questions
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2019-01-04 at 10:40 PM UTC
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^ Looks like he's not the only one, so why don't you just take your hypocritical fail-ass out of the thread, stop harassing and chasing users off the site, and then go fuck yourself?
The oversocialized man has feelings of inferiority so ingrained that he cannot conceive of himself as individually strong and valuable. Hence the collectivism of the oversocialized man. He can feel strong only as a member of a large organization or a mass movement with which he identifies himself. He may claim that his activism is motivated by compassion or by moral principles, but compassion and moral principle cannot be the main motives for moralist activism. Hostility is too prominent a component of moralist behavior; so is the drive for power.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2019-01-04 at 10:42 PM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny It's true, I haven't attempted to justify that any moral system exists beyond imagination yet, because I'd like to make sure we understand eachother when we talk about things like "moral systems", "moral obligations" and "moral facts" as the definitions of these terms will be very important any any justification of them I might give.
In particular, it seems like you've taken a position that moral statements are, by definition, mere statements of opinion. Is that the case?
You didn't ask any questions in the post I was responding to.
I think if you re-read the post you are responding to, you might find the answer to that question. -
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