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2018-12-21 at 10:45 AM UTC
Originally posted by Loing No dimwit, the point is that I have a strong urge based on preference, but I'm also not a helpless chimpanzee and I can understand that gratifying it isn't the same thing as doing something good.
Except that there's a different between gratifying a food-based preference and a sexual preference.
Maybe I was wrong to give you the benefit of the doubt earlier.
If you actually conflate the two, that's pure ignorance. -
2018-12-21 at 10:46 AM UTCI choose to not jack off all the time.
Every waking moment, ibsah no to masturbating and do something else. Just be like me. -
2018-12-21 at 10:47 AM UTC
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2018-12-21 at 10:50 AM UTC
Originally posted by Loing Do you believe it to be a difference of degree or a difference of kind?
My first inclination is to say that's one of degree.
But I'm not entirely sure it's not different in kind as well.
Similarly, it depends on whether you consider addicts to have a "disease", or even whether or not you consider those with Autism to be compelled to act the way they do.
Free will seems to be a gradient thing.
So I guess you're just as "compelled" to hate a certain group of people as they are to be "morally despicable." -
2018-12-21 at 11:33 AM UTC
Originally posted by gadzooks My first inclination is to say that's one of degree.
If so, my point stands and you have to tell me what's so different between the two.But I'm not entirely sure it's not different in kind as well.
People refrain from sexual indulgences as they do with food.Similarly, it depends on whether you consider addicts to have a "disease", or even whether or not you consider those with Autism to be compelled to act the way they do.
Free will seems to be a gradient thing.
So I guess you're just as "compelled" to hate a certain group of people as they are to be "morally despicable."
Idk wtf you are babbling about. -
2018-12-21 at 11:41 AM UTC.
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2018-12-21 at 11:44 AM UTC
Originally posted by Loing If so, my point stands and you have to tell me what's so different between the two.
People refrain from sexual indulgences as they do with food.
Hmm... what is the difference between wanting to eat candy and wanting to have sex?
Something like 66% of Americans are medically overweight.
Implying that ~33% have the self-control to sustain a healthy weight.
Virtually everyone has sex.
Something tells me one indulgence is easier to say no to than the other.
Originally posted by Loing Idk wtf you are babbling about.
I'm just trying to make sense of where your hatred comes from.
Not having it myself, it takes some effort to grasp.
As much as I oppose adults having sex with children, I don't have any compulsion whatsoever to take a baseball bat to anyone's face. -
2018-12-21 at 11:45 AM UTC
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2018-12-21 at 12:10 PM UTC
Originally posted by gadzooks Hmm… what is the difference between wanting to eat candy and wanting to have sex?
Something like 66% of Americans are medically overweight.
Implying that ~33% have the self-control to sustain a healthy weight.
Virtually everyone has sex.
Something tells me one indulgence is easier to say no to than the other.
What a dogshit means of comparison. I honestly can't believe you typed this post thinking it was remotely coherent.
1. Everybody eats, not everybody has sex (as evidenced by the level of virginity on this site). If you don't eat, you fucking die. If you don't fuck, you don't die.
2. Less than 0.04% of the US population are registered sex offenders, meaning that 99.96% of the US population have the self control to not indulge their sexual urges as inappropriate.I'm just trying to make sense of where your hatred comes from.
Not having it myself, it takes some effort to grasp.
As much as I oppose adults having sex with children, I don't have any compulsion whatsoever to take a baseball bat to anyone's face.
What would it take for you to consider baseball batting someone's face? -
2018-12-21 at 12:12 PM UTC
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2018-12-21 at 12:17 PM UTC
Originally posted by Loing What a dogshit means of comparison. I honestly can't believe you typed this post thinking it was remotely coherent.
1. Everybody eats, not everybody has sex (as evidenced by the level of virginity on this site). If you don't eat, you fucking die. If you don't fuck, you don't die.
2. Less than 0.04% of the US population are registered sex offenders, meaning that 99.96% of the US population have the self control to not indulge their sexual urges as inappropriate.
Right, because only (approximately) <1% of society are pathological to such an extent.
I certainly hope you're not implying that you spend all day, every day, exercising the restraint necessary not to commit some kind of sex offense.
I mean, if you do, I'm impressed, and I mean that with 100% sincerity.
For all I know, the source of your strong stance might be that you have an attraction towards children yourself? I'm not throwing around blind accusations. Statistically speaking, you probably are not attracted to children.
But I just wonder how you have so much insight into what it's like to feel compelled to commit a sex offense.
Originally posted by Loing What would it take for you to consider baseball batting someone's face?
I wouldn't.
That's the thing.
There is virtually no scenario in which such an act is necessary. -
2018-12-21 at 12:18 PM UTC
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2018-12-21 at 12:30 PM UTC
Originally posted by gadzooks Right, because only (approximately) <1% of society are pathological to such an extent.
I certainly hope you're not implying that you spend all day, every day, exercising the restraint necessary not to commit some kind of sex offense.
I mean, if you do, I'm impressed, and I mean that with 100% sincerity.
I also don't go all day fighting the urge to eat gummi worms. I just don't do it.
Overall, I sincerely have no idea what the fuck your point or argument is whatsoever by talking about obese people. How is that relevant? This is a completely pointless line of discussion, unless you actually make an assertion or ask a pointed question of some sort.For all I know, the source of your strong stance might be that you have an attraction towards children yourself? I'm not throwing around blind accusations. Statistically speaking, you probably are not attracted to children.
But I just wonder how you have so much insight into what it's like to feel compelled to commit a sex offense.
It's just a basic failure of understanding on your part.
Imagine if you having sex was illegal (or say, every woman in the world found you unfuckable and didn't ever want to have sex with you, whatever works for you).
Would you be able to go through life without raping someone?
This isn't exactly rocket phrenology here.I wouldn't.
That's the thing.
There is virtually no scenario in which such an act is necessary.
Let's imagine you are currently chained to a wall and are being ass raped by a massive, bloodlusted nigger who has the key. He will rape you every 6 hours, every day, until you die in captivity. There is a baseball bat within your reach that you can swing and end this. Next time. Do you take a bat to his face? -
2018-12-21 at 12:39 PM UTC
Originally posted by Loing I also don't go all day fighting the urge to eat gummi worms. I just don't do it.
Thus supporting my point that the compulsions are incomparable.
Originally posted by Loing Overall, I sincerely have no idea what the fuck your point or argument is whatsoever by talking about obese people. How is that relevant? This is a completely pointless line of discussion, unless you actually make an assertion or ask a pointed question of some sort.
You're trying to compare a food-desire to a sexual compulsion. These are two entirely different things.
But whatever, we can abandon this line of discussion since, you're right, it's going nowhere.
Originally posted by Loing It's just a basic failure of understanding on your part.
Imagine if every woman in the world found you unfuckable and didn't ever want to have sex with you. Would you be able to go through life without raping someone?
This isn't exactly rocket phrenology here.
I imagine I could, but then again, it's a hypothetical that I have no personal experience with.
Hence why I try not to assume what it's like to be in such a scenario.
Originally posted by Loing Let's imagine you are currently chained to a wall and are being ass raped by a massive, bloodlusted nigger who has the key. He will rape you every 6 hours, every day, until you die in captivity. There is a baseball bat within your reach that you can swing and end this. Next time. Do you take a bat to his face?
I absolutely knew you would bring up such a hypothetical.
It's why I, at the last minute, edited my post to include the word "virtually" in there.
I did that because I could predict that you would bring up some kind of ridiculously unrealistic hypothetical scenario and try to say "AHA! So you WOULD take a bat to someone's face! GOT YOU!".
There's a huge difference between admitting that in such a contrived hypothetical scenario you would have to resort to violence, and what you said earlier in this thread.
You seem to relish in some kind of anticipatory desire to use violence.
That's where we differ.
We both oppose adults having sex with children.
You, on the other hand, fantasize about violence towards those who do. -
2018-12-21 at 12:53 PM UTCStopping in to say, I am so against violence, but I could take a baseball bat to a pedos head if they touched anyone in my family. Yup, no problem.
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2018-12-21 at 12:56 PM UTC
Originally posted by Technologist Stopping in to say, I am so against violence, but I could take a baseball bat to a pedos head if they touched anyone in my family. Yup, no problem.
I want to point out that, even though I likely wouldn't. This is still different from Loing's example.
For him it's not even about personal vengeance. He has some kind of fantasy to bash in just any "pedo's" face, and to the point of murder as well.
That's both excessive and unnecessary, is all I'm saying. -
2018-12-21 at 1:03 PM UTCOk, I'm not pulling yet another all-nighter on NiS just to debate about the pros and cons of violence.
I'm out for the night. -
2018-12-21 at 1:11 PM UTC
Originally posted by gadzooks Thus supporting my point that the compulsions are incomparable.
How? I don't fight my sexual urge all day either.You're trying to compare a food-desire to a sexual compulsion. These are two entirely different things.
You have to say exactly how.I imagine I could, but then again, it's a hypothetical that I have no personal experience with.
Hence why I try not to assume what it's like to be in such a scenario.
Would you say that a person who would rape someone under these circumstances is bad or no.I absolutely knew you would bring up such a hypothetical.
It's why I, at the last minute, edited my post to include the word "virtually" in there.
I did that because I could predict that you would bring up some kind of ridiculously unrealistic hypothetical scenario and try to say "AHA! So you WOULD take a bat to someone's face! GOT YOU!".
There's a huge difference between admitting that in such a contrived hypothetical scenario you would have to resort to violence, and what you said earlier in this thread.
You seem to relish in some kind of anticipatory desire to use violence.
That's where we differ.
We both oppose adults having sex with children.
You, on the other hand, fantasize about violence towards those who do.
The addition of the "virtually" is actually the problem, not sure why you're bouncing to it like it was your redeeming ace-in-the-hole.
I made this hypothetical because obviously, you do see there are cases where you would take the bat to someone's face. If you can admit that, we can discuss if and under what circumstances it would be justified for a pedophile.
We can't do that if you make an absolute declaration, and then try to maintain it by couching it with the "virtually" qualifier. An intellectually honest person wouldn't be trying to eat their cake and have it too in this way. -
2018-12-21 at 1:12 PM UTC
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2018-12-21 at 1:15 PM UTCSpoken like a true pedo.
