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2018-11-01 at 10:47 PM UTCSo basically, instead of fucking with batteries and shit, you start with magnesium powder and sodium hydroxide (lye, right?), and make some Dioxane from antifreeze to make mass quantities of sodium metal...
And this sodium metal can easily substitute as a catalyst for the lithium from the batteries?
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2018-11-01 at 10:50 PM UTCMan, chemistry is hella interesting...
All they need to do to groom a future society of educated citizenry is to teach kids to cook meth, build bombs, and hack into government data centers. There won't be an unmotivated learner in the bunch. -
2018-11-01 at 10:52 PM UTCAlso, what are the chances that I'm now on a watch list?
TFW you just trynna learn u some knowledge and the man gotta get all up in your shit... :( -
2018-11-01 at 11:06 PM UTC
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2018-11-01 at 11:11 PM UTCYeah the sodium production thing is cutting edge. He has like 10 videos all about making OTC sodium. You don't need to use lithium at all if you have good clean sodium.
You probably don't even have to clean it, I think the aggregate can be used directly in a bitch reduction but nobody has ever tried this yet.
0% chance you are on a watchlist, the only people who care about this stuff are the DEA but they are mostly looking for the newest hip precursor so they can add it to their chemical watchlist. All this stuff is OTC anyways.
I used to get lots of flak for posting "secret" MDMA precursors on zoklet because certain people didn't want them to get restricted.
If nothing ever got restricted we would never have the need to seek out ways to bypass the system and discover innovations like the thermochemical dioxone production of sodium metal.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2018-11-01 at 11:18 PM UTC
Originally posted by Ghost Yeah the sodium production thing is cutting edge. He has like 10 videos all about making OTC sodium. You don't need to use lithium at all if you have good clean sodium.
You probably don't even have to clean it, I think the aggregate can be used directly in a bitch reduction but nobody has ever tried this yet.
0% chance you are on a watchlist, the only people who care about this stuff are the DEA but they are mostly looking for the newest hip precursor so they can add it to their chemical watchlist. All this stuff is OTC anyways.
I used to get lots of flak for posting "secret" MDMA precursors on zoklet because certain people didn't want them to get restricted.
If nothing ever got restricted we would never have the need to seek out ways to bypass the system and discover innovations like the thermochemical dioxone production of sodium metal.
Whoever that NurdRage dude is... I have a sneaking suspicion that they partake in the pharmacological administration of substituted amphetamines.
There should be a Nobel prize category for that kind of chemistry. -
2018-11-01 at 11:22 PM UTCCome to think of it, maybe I can contribute my particular skill set to the furtherance of psychoactive compound discovery and efficient synthesis thereof...
I've been reading up on computational chemistry. Machine learning models can surely be trained with massive datasets of mundane chemical reactions and output some, at least theoretical, novel syntheses.
It's about damn time computer science and organic chemistry make their matrimonial bond. -
2018-11-01 at 11:26 PM UTCIf chemical reactions all come down to physical changes in a space occupied by some substance, then, mathematically speaking, there are a finite number of permutations that will determine which chemicals and their counterparts, what temperature, what degree of pressure, and so forth are applied, and how they will react.
We need to program an A.I. Shulgin.
Who's on board?
Project of the year! -
2018-11-01 at 11:33 PM UTC
Originally posted by gadzooks Whoever that NurdRage dude is… I have a sneaking suspicion that they partake in the pharmacological administration of substituted amphetamines.
There should be a Nobel prize category for that kind of chemistry.
Nurdrage and Nilered got started making videos of procedures from the erowid archive
https://erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/index.html
Their first videos were mostly about meth precursors like hydriodic acid and they would destroy the chemicals in the video and say "I have no use for this, it was just a demonstration"
They even took down the old videos but they are still floating around.
I got bored of meth chemistry years ago and made the natural progression to tryptamines and MDMA but also studied that to death.
Clandestine drug chemistry research has stagnated for the past decade. Research chemicals are neat but the only thing different is swapping out watched precursors for unwatched.
My current project is trying to memorize the synthesis of everything on the WHO list of essential medicines.
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2018-11-01 at 11:37 PM UTC
Originally posted by gadzooks I've been reading up on computational chemistry. Machine learning models can surely be trained with massive datasets of mundane chemical reactions and output some, at least theoretical, novel synthesis
"A team of chemists working for MilliporeSigma, a company that purchased Chematica, a computer program that generates synthetic routes (the series of reactions necessary for the creation of a synthetic target), has tested its abilities in a lab. In their paper published in the journal Chem, the group describes giving the software eight targets and reports on its performance.
In chemistry, designing a synthesis is labor-intensive, and therefore inefficient. It takes chemists with years of knowledge and practice, a large amount of time and effort to develop a reaction sequence that will result in the creation of a desired target. Thus, chemists have been wondering for years whether computers could do the task. Efforts have been underway since the 1970s, but thus far, the results have been unimpressive. More recently, a team working on the algorithms for Chematica have reported promising results, which is likely why it was purchased by MilliporeSigma last year. In this new effort, one of the original creators of the program, Bartosz Grzybowski, along with others at MilliporeSigma and Milan Mrksich from Northwestern University, put the program through its paces to find out just how well it could generate routes.
The team chose eight targets (six by the MilliporeSigma team, one by Grzybowski and the other by Mrksich) with demonstrateda pharmaceutical potential. They report that the program took approximately 15 to 20 minutes to plan each of the synthetic routes, which also included reaction conditions. The team from MilliporeSigma carried out half of the test runs and the other four were carried out by grad students and postdocs. To test the results, the chemists needed to follow the routes to see if the the program could generate the desired target. The team reports that Chematica successfully created routes for all of the targets it was given. In addition, for seven of them, the program created routes with fewer steps, improved yield, better time or lower costs than routes created previously by chemists. For the eighth, the program produced a route that resulted in the first synthesis of the desired target." -
2018-11-01 at 11:39 PM UTCYou should check out this forum, it's the most cutting edge clandestine chemistry forum, It's whats left of "the hive"
Some pretty cool stuff here, one guy made an opiate from piperizine based de worming agent and people have figured out how to replace the mercury in the classic p2p reduction with copper
https://www.thevespiary.org/talk/index.php -
2018-11-01 at 11:44 PM UTC
Originally posted by Ghost Some pretty cool stuff here, one guy made an opiate from piperizine based de worming agent and people have figured out how to replace the mercury in the classic p2p reduction with copper.
One idea I had once, and I have no idea how viable it would be, was to produce a genetic hybrid between Kudzu root (a devastatingly wild growing plant that basically just takes over entire towns if not kept in check) with opioid alkaloid containing poppies...
You'd have heroin literally growing out of control.
Fuck, I still kinda consider whether it'd work or not... -
2018-11-02 at 12:52 AM UTCDelving into some biology!
If you really want to break the system find a way to make safrole/mdp2p/MDMA precursor in the US Mainland.
Right now they get it from the Sassafras albidum tree that grows in Cambodia and they have to turn it into PMK oil.
People in Australia have steam distilled certain plants to get safrole oil, similar plants also grow in Florida but nobody has figured out how to scale it up to the point where you can make MDMA in industrial amounts.
For opiates you can get thebaine (oxycodone precursor) from Iran poppy. I think you could make a lifetime supply of oxy from an acre of Iran poppies but it's a notoriously difficult extraction, less than 1% yield reported in the available literature
Rumor has it Bayer has a patented high yield thebaine extraction they keep a closely guarded secret, probably not ever gonna get leaked to the internet.
If someone could figure that one out though it would be a Pandora's box
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2018-11-02 at 1:18 AM UTC
Originally posted by Ghost Delving into some biology!
If you really want to break the system find a way to make safrole/mdp2p/MDMA precursor in the US Mainland.
Right now they get it from the Sassafras albidum tree that grows in Cambodia and they have to turn it into PMK oil.
People in Australia have steam distilled certain plants to get safrole oil, similar plants also grow in Florida but nobody has figured out how to scale it up to the point where you can make MDMA in industrial amounts.
For opiates you can get thebaine (oxycodone precursor) from Iran poppy. I think you could make a lifetime supply of oxy from an acre of Iran poppies but it's a notoriously difficult extraction, less than 1% yield reported in the available literature
Rumor has it Bayer has a patented high yield thebaine extraction they keep a closely guarded secret, probably not ever gonna get leaked to the internet.
If someone could figure that one out though it would be a Pandora's box
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bentley_compounds
Well in that case we'll just have to rig up some DIY intrathecal drug infusion pump combined with some good ol' fashion Loperamide...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2792490/#sec2-11title
I think I may be coming down with a case of diarrhea myself, what about you? -
2018-11-02 at 1:20 AM UTCReverse cook the Imodium into thebaine and work it up into oxycodone
Ultimate route
Or make it from nalaxone from OD kits lul -
2018-11-02 at 1:25 AM UTCNow I wish there was a Breaking Bad but about opiates.
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2018-11-02 at 1:42 AM UTCIt should also be set in Pakistan and have a scene where Raj blows up an Al Qaeda factory because he fucked up the Acetic Anhydride conversion.
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2018-11-02 at 2:03 AM UTCHeisenpreet.
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2018-12-30 at 4:06 AM UTC
Originally posted by gadzooks Is it all really this simple? I've got the right glassware, and most of those precursors look pretty easily obtainable.
And I live in Canada where ephedrine is legal.
The only thing is, though, they sell it as pills (8mg a piece).
I can't imagine extracting the pill binders away would be too complicated, would it?
It may sound incredibly simple but, it's not really.It takes some practice. Good news, Shake and bake requires no cleaning. The alkaloids dissolve, nothing else comes over.Youre gonna need a shitload of 8mg pills. -
2018-12-30 at 7:05 PM UTC
Originally posted by Ghost 1 AA Lithium Strip per 2 grams of pseudoephedrine/ephedrine half strip for one box of Sudafed
AA Batteries contain about .94g of lithium each
https://niggasin.space/thread/473
Oooooohhhh. I think I now understand why my nigga has a gigantic like 120 lb rubbermade tub filled with 18650 batts.
