Why is anything even real?

2016-04-06 at 6:25 PM UTC

#1

The Self Taught Man Black Hole

Seriously, think about it...why are you even experiencing anything right now rather than non-existence? Think about all the people who lived and died before you and you were experiencing nothing then. So for the same reason why aren't you experiencing non-existence right now, while "your" body goes and does all the shit that it does?

2016-04-06 at 6:31 PM UTC

#2

Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]

[LEFT]For the same reason that up cannot exist without down.[/LEFT]

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THAT

AM

FORMED

HUMANKIND OF THE DUST OF THE UNIVERSE

AND

BREATHED INTO THEIR NOSTRILS

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AND

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2016-04-06 at 6:48 PM UTC

#3

The Self Taught Man Black Hole

*sigh* this is what leads me towards solipsism, nobody else gets it.

2016-04-06 at 7:43 PM UTC

#4

Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]

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[SIZE=12px][FONT=courier new][SIZE=16px]Real = 18 + 5 + 1 + 12 = 36 = 3 + 6 = 9

9 + 5 + 1 + 3 = 18 = 1 + 8 = 9[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=16px][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]ADD TO REDUCE REDUCE TO DEDUCE[/FONT][/SIZE]

2016-04-06 at 9:44 PM UTC

#5

-SpectraL coward [the spuriously bluish-lilac bushman]

Many of those people who lived and died will be coming back in the Paradise. That's why there is actually a purpose. Just as the chaff is sifted from the wheat and the wheat is refined purer and purer. Just how the steel reacts in the forge and gets stronger and stronger. So it will be when all things have come to pass.

2016-04-08 at 10:32 PM UTC

#6

The Self Taught Man Black Hole

Its all because of the Synsynyeti âˆ†

2016-04-09 at 12:56 AM UTC

#7

The Self Taught Man Black Hole

For teh lulz and because Synsynyeti.

Obbe apparently knows how numbers work, sort of.

2016-04-09 at 3:15 AM UTC

#8

Lanny Bird of Courage

Seriously, think about it…why are you even experiencing anything right now rather than non-existence? Think about all the people who lived and died before you and you were experiencing nothing then. So for the same reason why aren't you experiencing non-existence right now, while "your" body goes and does all the shit that it does?

It's a fairly popular opinion among physicalists that philosophical zombies (biological humans with all the behaviour of fully conscious beings but lacking internal experience) are an incoherent concept, they're literally inconceivable. The SEP article on it is pretty interesting. I tend to think that's going a bit far, I'm willing to admit the metaphysical possibility of zombies but deny that they would be physically identical to non-zombies. Indeed the entire posit of physicalism is that consciousness is a physical phenomenon, it's an emergent property of the arrangement of atoms in your brain. The reason you experience things as opposed to nothing is explained by the same causal chain that explains your physical existence in the first place, that explains the non-conscious elements of your body. It may be complex or accidental or non-deterministic but ultimately it's a question of mechanics. And that gives us a good reason to suspect other minds because there doesn't seem to be any reason to believe anyone else lacks the physical properties that give rise to consciousness (indeed Chalmers and co. don't argue zombies exist or we should be skeptical about other people's status as zombies, just that the concept itself is problematic for physicalism) but it's not a proof thereof.

2016-04-09 at 6:15 AM UTC

#9

Beep Yung Blood

Test

2016-04-10 at 2:32 AM UTC

#10

Dissociator African Astronaut

It's a fairly popular opinion among physicalists that philosophical zombies (biological humans with all the behaviour of fully conscious beings but lacking internal experience) are an incoherent concept, they're literally inconceivable. The SEP article on it is pretty interesting. I tend to think that's going a bit far, I'm willing to admit the metaphysical possibility of zombies but deny that they would be physically identical to non-zombies. Indeed the entire posit of physicalism is that consciousness is a physical phenomenon, it's an emergent property of the arrangement of atoms in your brain. The reason you experience things as opposed to nothing is explained by the same causal chain that explains your physical existence in the first place, that explains the non-conscious elements of your body. It may be complex or accidental or non-deterministic but ultimately it's a question of mechanics. And that gives us a good reason to suspect other minds because there doesn't seem to be any reason to believe anyone else lacks the physical properties that give rise to consciousness (indeed Chalmers and co. don't argue zombies exist or we should be skeptical about other people's status as zombies, just that the concept itself is problematic for physicalism) but it's not a proof thereof.

bicameralism

2016-04-10 at 6:13 AM UTC

#11

Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]

The bicameral mentality would be non-conscious in its inability to reason and articulate about mental contents through meta-reflection, reacting without explicitly realizing and without the meta-reflective ability to give an account of why one did so. The bicameral mind would thus lack metaconsciousness, autobiographical memory and the capacity for executive "ego functions" such as deliberate mind-wandering and conscious introspection of mental content. When bicamerality as a method of social control was no longer adaptive in complex civilizations, this mental model was replaced by the conscious mode of thought which, Jaynes argued, is grounded in the acquisition of metaphorical language learned by exposure to narrative practice.
According to Jaynes, ancient people in the bicameral state of mind would have experienced the world in a manner that has some similarities to that of aschizophrenic. Rather than making conscious evaluations in novel or unexpected situations, the person would hallucinate a voice or "god" giving admonitory advice or commands and obey without question: one would not be at all conscious of one's own thought processes per se. Research into "command hallucinations" that often direct the behavior of those labeled schizophrenic, as well as other voice hearers, supports Jaynes's predictions.

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