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2016-01-15 at 9:51 AM UTC
Mr treacher probably thinks I'm an irresponsible gun owner because of some shit i said on TB but I'm really not, i just did some really stupid shit while i was homeless heh <br> <br> Happens to just about everyone at one point or another…(Dammit now not even the fucking manual line breaks work?)
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2016-01-15 at 2:17 PM UTCCould you please explain this again?
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2016-01-17 at 5:49 PM UTCI figured it out.
Thank you, Rodent. That was fucking helpful. The linebreaks bothered the shit out of me.
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2016-01-22 at 1:27 PM UTC
I figured it out.
Cool, as you see I only check in here once in a blue moon or I would have replied earlier. I really only come here to wind Spectard up when I'm really bored.
Thank you, Rodent. That was fucking helpful. The linebreaks bothered the shit out of me.
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2016-01-22 at 2:46 PM UTCYou don't scare me, Rodent.
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2016-01-22 at 2:47 PM UTCThese arguments always wind up being the exact same thing, so I really considered not posting in this thread. This is not going to win me any friends but whatever...
The reality is that the US has more gun crime than any other First World western nation, and to chalk that up to anything other than the fact that we have more guns wtih less gun control in this country than any other developed western nation is fucking retarded. We literally have a gun for every man, woman, and child here. I have five guns in my house right now (many of which are milspec "assault weapons") and I'm a poor mountaineer. You can buy an AK for two weeks wages on minimum wage here and, in many cases, you wouldn't even need a background check. When background checks are conducted, they aren't using updated databases and it's very sketchy how well they even work. We don't even have universal background checks, so people easily transfer guns across state borders since different states have different laws.
At the end of the day, you guys have to make a choice. You cannot sit here on this forum and talk about "how stupid the average person is" yet simultaneously argue "almost everyone in the US having access to guns is not the reason gun crime happens." The average person is too goddamn irresponsible to even drive a car safely, and yet you want them to preserve their "right' to be able to buy any long-gun they can afford as soon as they turn 18 - with no training, military experience, or even a fucking safety class? No shit mass shootings and murders happen. You live in a consumerist society of entitled children. Our newspapers are written on a fifth grade reading level and "big bang theory" or "The Bachelorette" constitutes mainstream entertainment. The people here are stupid.
The second biggest lobbyist group in the US is the NRA. So they have literally billions of dollars and tons of congressmen at their disposal to make Americans buy more guns or believe anything other than mass gun ownership is the problem. Yet people want to act like guns being a god-given right is just a fact of history and rely on poor understandings of the constitution, like misquoting "shall not be infringed" (That originally meant a militia, not a handgun or long rifle). Wake up and realize that the NRA and other groups successfully launched campaigns to get people to believe that shit. If this was such an honest and genuine assessment of the scenario, these same groups wouldn't be blocking independent groups from publishing honest research on gun crime.
Americans have dumb, machismo commitments to the idea that preserving gun rights preserves their freedoms. Meanwhile, most of us don't even have fucking health insurance, student loan debt surpassed credit card debt like three years ago and tuition is still going up (over $1,200 per 3 credit class at a state school here), our pornography laws are backwards, you can be fired from your job in some states for almost any reason, our infant mortality rate is the highest in the developed world, wages are stagnant (I have 3 degrees and clean toilets for a living, everyone else working with me has advanced degrees in biology, nuclear engineering, math, etc. Believing we just "don't know how to find work" is a sign that you're old, out of touch, or come from so much privilege you don't recognize it how hard it is to make money when you have none.), the president literally kills American citizens with drone strikes (3 of which were on accident) and under NDAA you can be arrested and imprisoned indefinitely without trial.
Yet everyone wants to sit here and act like the fact that we've got a fuck ton of glorified toys we'll never use makes us free. If people consistently bringing guns into public places and shooting at random (including elementary schools) doesn't change anybody's mind, then nothing else will. Go ahead and blame "niggers" or "liberals" or the media or whatever else you want - but we've definitely got a gun problem and it's time we admit it. -
2016-01-23 at 1:06 PM UTC
These arguments always wind up being the exact same thing, so I really considered not posting in this thread. This is not going to win me any friends but whatever…
The UK has very strict gun control and London is the stabbing capital of the world. Are you saying you would rather be stabbed than shot? Or are you saying you would rather defend yourself and your family with a knife than a gun?
The reality is that the US has more gun crime than any other First World western nation, and to chalk that up to anything other than the fact that we have more guns wtih less gun control in this country than any other developed western nation is fucking retarded. We literally have a gun for every man, woman, and child here. I have five guns in my house right now (many of which are milspec "assault weapons") and I'm a poor mountaineer. You can buy an AK for two weeks wages on minimum wage here and, in many cases, you wouldn't even need a background check. When background checks are conducted, they aren't using updated databases and it's very sketchy how well they even work. We don't even have universal background checks, so people easily transfer guns across state borders since different states have different laws.
At the end of the day, you guys have to make a choice. You cannot sit here on this forum and talk about "how stupid the average person is" yet simultaneously argue "almost everyone in the US having access to guns is not the reason gun crime happens." The average person is too goddamn irresponsible to even drive a car safely, and yet you want them to preserve their "right' to be able to buy any long-gun they can afford as soon as they turn 18 - with no training, military experience, or even a fucking safety class? No shit mass shootings and murders happen. You live in a consumerist society of entitled children. Our newspapers are written on a fifth grade reading level and "big bang theory" or "The Bachelorette" constitutes mainstream entertainment. The people here are stupid.
The second biggest lobbyist group in the US is the NRA. So they have literally billions of dollars and tons of congressmen at their disposal to make Americans buy more guns or believe anything other than mass gun ownership is the problem. Yet people want to act like guns being a god-given right is just a fact of history and rely on poor understandings of the constitution, like misquoting "shall not be infringed" (That originally meant a militia, not a handgun or long rifle). Wake up and realize that the NRA and other groups successfully launched campaigns to get people to believe that shit. If this was such an honest and genuine assessment of the scenario, these same groups wouldn't be blocking independent groups from publishing honest research on gun crime.
Americans have dumb, machismo commitments to the idea that preserving gun rights preserves their freedoms. Meanwhile, most of us don't even have fucking health insurance, student loan debt surpassed credit card debt like three years ago and tuition is still going up (over $1,200 per 3 credit class at a state school here), our pornography laws are backwards, you can be fired from your job in some states for almost any reason, our infant mortality rate is the highest in the developed world, wages are stagnant (I have 3 degrees and clean toilets for a living, everyone else working with me has advanced degrees in biology, nuclear engineering, math, etc. Believing we just "don't know how to find work" is a sign that you're old, out of touch, or come from so much privilege you don't recognize it how hard it is to make money when you have none.), the president literally kills American citizens with drone strikes (3 of which were on accident) and under NDAA you can be arrested and imprisoned indefinitely without trial.
Yet everyone wants to sit here and act like the fact that we've got a fuck ton of glorified toys we'll never use makes us free. If people consistently bringing guns into public places and shooting at random (including elementary schools) doesn't change anybody's mind, then nothing else will. Go ahead and blame "niggers" or "liberals" or the media or whatever else you want - but we've definitely got a gun problem and it's time we admit it. -
2016-01-23 at 5:09 PM UTC
The UK has very strict gun control and London is the stabbing capital of the world. Are you saying you would rather be stabbed than shot? Or are you saying you would rather defend yourself and your family with a knife than a gun?
This completely ignores almost everything I wrote and redirects it to I'd a false dichotomy / invalid argument, but I'll discuss it anyway.
My point was never that guns are responsible for crime or (as you seem to think) I have to choose between knives and guns. My point was that our rampant gun crime is because we have so many, any idiot can get them, we have very few controls over them, and people justify having them for stupid reasons.
Also, to your (fallacious) point, the reality is that a gang of trained killers with knives are capable of doing way less damage than a single teenager walking into a school with with a gun. -
2016-01-23 at 5:36 PM UTCMake thread specifically stating I dont want to talk about gun control but rather why there is no solidarity among people after these types of attacks
5 pages of gun control arguments
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2016-01-25 at 1:52 PM UTC
This completely ignores almost everything I wrote and redirects it to I'd a false dichotomy / invalid argument, but I'll discuss it anyway.
Like most brainwashed gun control idiots you missed the point. Humans are going good to use weapons. It is a trait that has propelled us to the top of the food chain. It instinct... It is part of what we are just as sure as a claws are part of what a tiger is. If you tell the masses they can't use their "claws" and let the government's use their's then the masses will be enslaved. It has happened time and time again is societies throughout history. Learn to learn.
My point was never that guns are responsible for crime or (as you seem to think) I have to choose between knives and guns. My point was that our rampant gun crime is because we have so many, any idiot can get them, we have very few controls over them, and people justify having them for stupid reasons.
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2016-01-25 at 3:35 PM UTC
Like most brainwashed gun control idiots you missed the point. Humans are going good to use weapons. It is a trait that has propelled us to the top of the food chain. It instinct… It is part of what we are just as sure as a claws are part of what a tiger is. If you tell the masses they can't use their "claws" and let the government's use their's then the masses will be enslaved. It has happened time and time again is societies throughout history. Learn to learn.
The NRA is the second most powerful lobbying group in America.
This is the same group that buys a republican dominated congressmen to make sure gun laws don't get passed.
This is the same congress that blocks independent research establishments from getting accurate data on gun crume.
This is the same congress that makes sure updated mental health screenings and backgrounds checks can't be done properly.
So you agree with the agenda of what's basically a big powerful corporation and want them to continue to propogate a corrupt government and hide real research from you on gun crimes, but I'm the brainwashed one in this conversation?
Sorry, but I'm not some high school kid who heard his first Green Day album, your standard party-line answers aren't going work. Claiming "Ya just missed the point, guns don't kill people - people kill people" is a very pathetic attempt to sidestep my arguments by offering some catchy folk-wisdom sophistry bullshit. Sorry, but it's not as easy as you're trying to make it out to be, and it just illustrates you have a very over-simplified and reductionist view of this very complicated issue.learn to learn
Honestly man, this is why people don't take our country seriously. The rest of the world is literally laughing at us because inbred people like you are so convinced that your toys make you free. Just be honest and admit that you like guns and this really poorly thought out defense of your position is just you trying to justify that you don't want your toys taken away or you want to be part of something bigger than yourself.
Please address my following (original) points and stop the dickwaving or simply admit that you don't know shit:
"Other countries have less guns but they have other kinds of crime"
Is it not true that a even multiple people with knives and clubs are not nearly as dangerous as a teenager with a gun? Is it not also true that we have more murders per capita than most other developed countries yet we're the richest country in the world?
"If they take our guns away then that makes me less free."
Is it not true that they listen to all of our phone calls, read all our emails, we have stagnant wages, the wage gap between the wealthy and poor is huge, we lag behind in basic education, the president can arrest anyone indefinitely without trial, is home of the patriot act, the FBI is so above the law that they run child porn websites with no consequences to them, and the president kills US citizens without trial? How does owning a gun have anything to do with these freedoms?
"If they take our guns away, the government will enslave us with superior weapons technology."
Doesn't the government have drones, tanks, and helicopters? Isn't it safe to say that people are already outgunned? I'm pretty sure I'm one of the only combat vets on this forum, are you really prepared to argue that a group of overweight civillians with almost no weapons training or organization are even going to "rise up" and defend themselves from a National Guard Unit?
"Guns aren't the problem"
Then why do we have so much gun crime? You don't think it's because we have so many guns, no training for them, no safety courses for them, no updated mental health registries, or the fact that any idiot can get one in many cases without a background check?
"You don't know what you're talking about. The facts are..."
Why does the NRA block congress from turning out honest research on this information if the facts just speak for themselves.
If you would have even read my post you would see that I didn't really propose any "gun control" at all, I simply said we should enforce the laws we already have on the books (which never happen).
Honestly man I know this is niggasinspace but you're really just embarrassing yourself. I'm not saying you can't be pro-gun but you should have intelligent reasons if you're going to argue about it.
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2016-01-25 at 5:31 PM UTCNOT A GUN CONTROL THREAD
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2016-01-25 at 5:32 PM UTCI want some legitimate answers as to why we are not supporting those who survived and standing with them in their loss. Make the victims the heroes. Its a fucking shame that these gun-toting homos committing grievous acts of violence become the center of attention while the people who experienced the incident fade into obscurity with little support or consideration. Its sick and sad and wrong that not only the media of my nation but the people of my nation take this opportunity to point at the situation and say "Well if guns were more controlled we would all be safer" rather than being a fucking human being about it and exuding the appropriate amount of national grievance.
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2016-01-30 at 12:57 AM UTC
You stupid cucks are missing the big picture…
Now we got it.
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2016-02-02 at 12:09 PM UTCI don't give a fuck what liberal retards have to say, I need my guns to defend myself and my property, and if the government/illuminati wants to take them away, they can pry them from my cold, dead hands
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2016-02-02 at 12:10 PM UTCI also need to kill the next generation of social democrats before they have a chance to let more mudslimes into the country, and my guns are pretty handy for that
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2016-02-04 at 2:25 AM UTC
I also need to kill the next generation of social democrats before they have a chance to let more mudslimes into the country, and my guns are pretty handy for that
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2016-02-04 at 5:46 PM UTC
Would you kill TheDarkRodent or Psychomanthis if you had the chance?
Has TDR even posted here recently? I feel like he ded.
