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Evidence of Ukraine's Role in Downing of MH-17 Beginning to Leak
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2017-05-26 at 6:34 AM UTCDocuments have apparently been leaked from the Ukrainian SBU (spy agency, successor to the KGB) indicating that the Ukraine airforce were involved (supporting Russia's initial claim that their radar data showed fighter jets on an intercept path with the passenger plane), and that three days after the crash the SBU initiated a suppression operation to silence witnesses and destroy any incriminating evidence.
The data was leaked to a decidedly anti-Russian nationalist newspaper in the Ukraine, implying that it was indeed leaked by a Ukrainian source as opposed to a falsification on Russia's behalf.
It's impossible to know whether the documents are 100% authentic without checking them against the SBU's archives but official inspectors have verified that they follow all standard parameters for the spy agency; reporting rules and structure originated with the Soviet KGB.
This whole investigation was a horrible joke, and it'll be a relief for many to find out what actually happened.
Unfortunately, even if this does gain enough traction to punch through the corporate media's wall of silence, it's only going to be Poroshenko that gets the proverbial rope, and I can almost guarantee he was only one of the smaller players.
http://thesaker.is/sbu-orders-to-destroy-all-evidence-of-the-conducted-special-operation-mh17/ -
2017-05-26 at 6:51 AM UTCNot pro-russia, but anti nazi here (at least the stupid ones, like what ukraine has. I myself like fascism). Can't wait for Putin to swoop in and give ukrainian leaders some polonium pie, those nazi fucks have got it coming. Plus, fuck ukraine, it's useless on its own and the only people there that give a shit about pro russia or anti russia bullshit are retarded nationalists which had to ruin it all for everyone with war and shitThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2017-05-26 at 7 AM UTC
Originally posted by newfag Not pro-russia, but anti nazi here (at least the stupid ones, like what ukraine has. I myself like fascism). Can't wait for Putin to swoop in and give ukrainian leaders some polonium pie, those nazi fucks have got it coming. Plus, fuck ukraine, it's useless on its own and the only people there that give a shit about pro russia or anti russia bullshit are retarded nationalists which had to ruin it all for everyone with war and shit
I don't think Russia would do anything even if the US/EU didn't care - it'd be much easier and much less expensive for Russia to protect the breakaway Donbass/Lughansk region and just let the west starve considering all of the major resources and industrial facilities are in the east. -
2017-05-26 at 7:10 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra I don't think Russia would do anything even if the US/EU didn't care - it'd be much easier and much less expensive for Russia to protect the breakaway Donbass/Lughansk region and just let the west starve considering all of the major resources and industrial facilities are in the east.
As long as Odessa is in good hands, those niggas are cool -
2017-05-26 at 7:11 AM UTCthat trade house fire was fucked, I saw it live, people need to be punished for thatThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2017-05-26 at 7:34 AM UTCburn them allThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2017-05-29 at 1:23 AM UTCbump because this is important
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2017-05-30 at 4:34 AM UTCWasn't it proved a lot of Ukraine's leaders are jedi and super well connected despite only like 2% of the actual population was jedi?
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2017-05-30 at 9:53 AM UTC
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2017-05-30 at 10:46 AM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie I bet my government won't give a shit even though it was mostly my countrymen that died in the incident.
I wouldn't be surprised if they had something to do with it...
If the Ukrainian government weren't totally insane I would say that it seems unlikely it would've happened without the US' approval, and by extension the EU but given how things have unfolded, it's possible Porky or even someone high up in the Air Force took matters into their own hands -
2018-09-17 at 3:06 PM UTChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLBpLVwa-lM
https://southfront.org/summing-up-russian-military-briefing-on-mh17-incident-missiles-serial-numbers-fake-videos-and-intercepted-radio-communications/
Russian military was able to trace the serial number on one of the rocket fragments collected as evidence to a USSR manufacturing plant that still exists, where they were able to find transaction documents indicating it was sent to the Ukrainian 223-Anti Aircraft regiment way back in 86:The manufacturing serial number allowed the Russian Defense Ministry to get the serial number of the assembled missile: 886847379. On December 29, 1986, this missile was sent by rail to the military unit 20152 of the USSR Armed Forces.
The military unit 20152, which received the missile, is 221 anti-aircraft missile brigade then located in the town of Terebovlya in the western part of Ukraine. After the collapse of the USSR, by the decree of the president of Ukraine this unit was renamed into 223 anti-aircraft missile regiment.
They've also released intercepted radio transmissions between Ukrainian servicemen that indicate it was common knowledge, at least among commanders that they had shot down the passenger plane. -
2018-09-17 at 3:15 PM UTCOrganization
The general structure and operational methods of SBU appear to be very similar to that of its predecessor (KGB of Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic) with exception of Ukrainian Border Guards and department responsible for security of high-rank state officials. Both of them became independent institutions. However the SBU keeps under control special operation units beta with bases in every Ukrainian province. According to British political expert Taras Kuzio the organizational structure of SBU remains to be as bloated in size as the Soviet Ukrainian KGB because the total number of active officers as high as 30,000. It is six times larger than British domestic MI5 and external MI6 combined together.[5]
Structure
Central Apparatus (consists of some 25 departments)
Main Directorate on Corruption and Organized Crime Counteraction
Regional Departments (26 departments)
Special Department
Anti-Terrorist Center cooperates with numerous ministries and other state agencies such as the Ministry of Interior, Ministry of Defense, Ministry of Emergencies, State Border Guard Service, and others.
Educational Institutions
National Academy of Security Service of Ukraine
Institute in preparation of Service Personnel at the National Law Academy of Yaroslav the Wise.
Others
State Archives of the SBU
Special Group "beta" -
2018-09-17 at 3:17 PM UTCwas there a point in there
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2018-09-17 at 3:21 PM UTCThe Ukrainians had BUK launchers nearby they denied they even had. I really don't know much about MH 17 because I heard grainy audio of Russians talking about a "bird" flying over towards them. They also tried to use the sunflower field with the bodies as leverage afterwards.
Maybe it was Ukrainian jets but it really wouldn't surprise me. Ukrainians fight like kosovars and if there was an untapped organ market they'd be gutting each other. I'm pissed the Russians never took marioupol and Ukraine hasn't had to answer for Odessa or the snipers in maidan square. I'm pissed porky and that creep who looks like Moby are still wielding power. I'm pissed there is still a dispute over crimea when it should be pretty cut and dry. Nobody disputes crimea wanted to be Russian, they just didn't like the means of achieving it and gaslighted to deflect from how crazy the maidan protests were. I'm pissed Canada has been sending millions to Ukraine for decades for the cause of "promoting democracy" because there are a bunch of the round headed farmer fucks in Saskatchewan. A girl I went with in high school was Ukrainian and basically the most hopelessly naive person ever. I think porky banks on everyone being as dumb as her. -
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