Isn't "Artistic" value also in the eye of the beholder?

1. 2018-07-14 at 8:08 PM UTC

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   cupocheer Space Nigga [unwillingly condescend the dp]
   What is classic to one viewer may be abstract to another.
   
   Isn't it as important to view any type art as for its artistic state?
2. 2018-08-02 at 3:04 PM UTC

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   cupocheer Space Nigga [unwillingly condescend the dp]
   Van Gogh
3. 2018-09-05 at 12:01 AM UTC

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   cupocheer Space Nigga [unwillingly condescend the dp]
   I was enthralled by abstract.
4. 2018-09-05 at 12:03 AM UTC

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   DontTellEm Black Hole
   Lol.
5. 2018-09-05 at 1:31 AM UTC

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   Lanny Bird of Courage
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   Most art operates by dialog with the environment it's created in, it's generally a social activity where a work attempts to make some sort of point or is a reaction to trends either within the medium or to the culture more generally. This makes appreciation of art more than a purely subjective matter of preference. Sure, for any piece of art you can find someone that will appreciate it, but I don't think anyone takes "artistic value" to mean someone likes it. People love the Harry Potter books, they can be fun and entertaining, but even serious fans typically don't hold it up as high art because it offers no real commentary or insight, it doesn't particularly provoke any deeper thought than the literal progression of the plot, it's simple escapism.
   
   By contrast many of the works we consider to be very artistically valuable are not particularly fun to experience. Kafka is a great example of a writer whose prose is dense and oppressive, a lot of people don't enjoy it, but his work is considered valuable because it taps into a real cultural anxiety. While people might argue whether or not a given work does actually give some kind of meaningful insight, it's not a mere matter of opinion or preference. You might not like a given work, but there's a fact to the matter of whether it has something to say or not.
   
6. 2018-09-05 at 4:01 AM UTC

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   D4NG0 motherfucker
   >shitpost
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   >Lanny taking it seriously
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7. 2018-09-05 at 4:10 AM UTC

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   RisiR † 29 Autism
   RC Meth analogues synagouges. Not even once, Mike Ponce?
8. 2018-09-05 at 5:03 AM UTC

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   Lanny Bird of Courage
   -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Just like the truest art, my posts are not meant for others but to stand defiantly on their own. I am the absurd hero of shitposting, I see and embrace the futility of trying to have a serious conversation with child like intellects but I take up that impossible task anyway. Not for your benefit, but for mine. Also stimulants. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJOBAEBCAA4FiEEaplk9V8kovCcp8BrznljHEc+lFoFAluPYyMaHGxhbi5yb2dl cnMuYm9va0BnbWFpbC5jb20ACgkQznljHEc+lFqYtBAAjRbMMT/8X8mstNXsRyRC PT3hQ1m4SwA7zGHEFK0+s0Gtu9MxOn7kEDfh6KL2YR2Wf1+EN9vvIALaZTDb0Kpn mNQSX0QSWER6KBiWhDwgzjsECVngH2hZT/ngUunzCvlp77ZBobAKDDKmnIPfQrkc kBeLPsUzHis4UmZodG/HeARChCqJh/aygKtvqB6BWo9BbCi/L3tB3RLK46nxJA+K ZQquq87iw/d5vqj3NI80kF53u8HR1jzICn8Pi3MRS4lHMXoKGFaPsXVHWtcjedi0M 85gow7bBBqblK6M9luAA2Jv3JnzVF3znFzMGKEt4FhR+RU37kursVrTKAIWK8Yl4 tmP36Kvl2iKzTDSZXNXtUSCBZqZlg9WG3EJWgeZWHPG9E3FbkMlO5mDULAx681F6 RwUOpjG3T8VFObPBdo+YzBcBpiBQbundy5/NHQuAMWRI6KZznAhRTuH6HSsMQsoN+a pRqlNXnlQn8cVHJO239riguXHYHRsbMxh998P/J1c4dtPrA5n0Lj2FDnNYft/V45 8YduL/8IgcsALBUt2I+CrQ24J8Bry8cTZ+2l/xwnEupMnX98wtcZz+4i2ncZXMTs rZ3Z8Mq6nfUuJuNNnYPhyKRhcwvQPIqJAr/4pucOXAHNZC3z8SiA6lcWESHVABFS 34QSjcv3MzZXBCPU9gNh95Y= =DtYE -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

   Just like the truest art, my posts are not meant for others but to stand defiantly on their own. I am the absurd hero of shitposting, I see and embrace the futility of trying to have a serious conversation with child like intellects but I take up that impossible task anyway. Not for your benefit, but for mine. Also stimulants.
   
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9. 2018-09-05 at 5:18 AM UTC

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   RisiR † 29 Autism
   Do you PGP on random or is there an order to the madness?
10. 2018-09-05 at 5:37 AM UTC

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    Lanny Bird of Courage
    -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 It's whenever I remember to do it so basically random, although I did set up auto-signing from qutebrowser recently so it should be more consistent going forwards. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJOBAEBCAA4FiEEaplk9V8kovCcp8BrznljHEc+lFoFAluPa60aHGxhbi5yb2dl cnMuYm9va0BnbWFpbC5jb20ACgkQznljHEc+lFqQhBAAql3uXmhCzcB/uK4On400 JH8iI7XrCwCjds8ZvuRPK5DbUsTvfUJPdhTSUf8VKS64OvTfmovOgAeTYxOA8Fo1 zJn6R6sjG7nDTwebEtPRITHDQ6mcOjl18T4gTVjkfRt0xOoaLm/wAnM9mY8mFWx4 4xnHyXgp10JdgXR39ptMxqOD/PUa1b0WwStJYCbbsQ15R12i7brcA6tt1N/0KuW7 /g2o878JCLeBszuxvDYc81/MMJEiY6nFaHs/Vd5Wb2R6P4UV8lXn7wMRZT4qweNR 5oJwaRIVjayfwJxrnmSfhXY+9pQ+FpEr4f7J3+5gi+DwZYHKzDoKnoNrqimQtOjR V3aXiyFBvkmkSkeHrD9VvAT+Rm1rrsDZGKLiVd4cBv7pkhbQfrRAlKpCg3JiFMFX LGe5KJP9715lJvD2mhZs6uKWlum0qZ9kw0OEJ83934Vvs1GQTDXSr9iUzUQR0Yo6 2R0OmWUgDw10QYezVgtBNzpG9sU5PeUNZUDY80Gnu1+wnhrQguU7cXxLWheSTQzZ 9Utu4R9qnCgaR10F30K3imCspXM+lYNcPxL7hx2JoePf25Yt8N+D33kvDuDpyolA SF3CNfmcuxoPFqx7PmZ1M+9AN01y64+N/9pqbp4Tni5X4lznmYmnmQbSkt/PbhCc IBP5uODqAhTXA4hwnHvoMIs= =U5bg -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

    It's whenever I remember to do it so basically random, although I did set up auto-signing from qutebrowser recently so it should be more consistent going forwards.
    
11. 2018-09-05 at 2:39 PM UTC

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    cupocheer Space Nigga [unwillingly condescend the dp]
    How can you do that!?!
12. 2018-09-23 at 1:26 AM UTC

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    cupocheer Space Nigga [unwillingly condescend the dp]
    Shrugs
13. 2018-09-23 at 1:29 AM UTC

    #13
    DontTellEm Black Hole
    LOL
14. 2018-09-23 at 1:37 AM UTC

    #14
    stare rape African Astronaut (banned)
    All of it looks "abstract" to me.
15. 2018-09-24 at 11 PM UTC

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    cupocheer Space Nigga [unwillingly condescend the dp]
    P
    Caso
16. 2018-09-25 at 5:24 PM UTC

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    Esplender Tuskegee Airman [my gynecological profit-maximising katar]
    But sometimes the beholder is scummy human trash
17. 2018-09-25 at 5:39 PM UTC

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    Sophie Pedophile Tech Support

    Originally posted by Lanny

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    Just like the truest art, my posts are not meant for others but to stand defiantly on their own. I am the absurd hero of shitposting, I see and embrace the futility of trying to have a serious conversation with child like intellects but I take up that impossible task anyway. Not for your benefit, but for mine. Also stimulants.

    
    I literally pictured you sitting behind your computer writing this, with your head tilted ever so slightly up in disgust and the words coming out of your keyboard with a sneer.
18. 2018-09-25 at 6:17 PM UTC

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    vindicktive vinny Black Hole
    art is another subset of herd mentality.
19. 2018-09-25 at 7:11 PM UTC

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    Lanny Bird of Courage
    0/10 meme
20. 2018-09-25 at 7:11 PM UTC

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    Lanny Bird of Courage
    -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 That's on the objective meme artistic quality scale, just FYI -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJOBAEBCAA4FiEEaplk9V8kovCcp8BrznljHEc+lFoFAluqiGcaHGxhbi5yb2dl cnMuYm9va0BnbWFpbC5jb20ACgkQznljHEc+lFqWUA/6AlOB37CGqTcNQA24Y0xH 5Pl/LrkPtb/1z2FzrAjQepfJOngzJFSPWr40ymLMD0aZxj6lEAZ9iEmwMBzIRmI6 8SUa+kSUEVy3MbmYFg+W2ewB0+ZyO9pXQ2heWSTHD3ccSPQcdCU9KOUJB4p0B5dV qwOLhOvWWaVEEsd0lsegROuK/toqnEkPbfProiM7ypMqJeVs/d/LN6JitTD/qMIZ xyVknLg7agyKjOpb0+NgFjOundHf+ZohYY3Mz8TZ0VBnYtd/ECNqU0sm83u0jAo3 cmTieqFs1mxNsx+X42PzLJr/xYI27azTFpUmU0eLICT/iG8mkkRKXBMUHve4WznV J5TtA5EEwlVZlI0PmtxnMMadyFZOFAnsFHdNFiZB+BS61oOUzty86f1cnowl1t/D tjQBNwB3x4sKugi5HyK4DACqCZ045n9MIdQDS4nKQeC031SGUh6HGe9ybz+M4J9Y rDTGgAfoHJHDZRSbxmd/puWx91wTHhpB9PUUktOBb1mG4HG7yTJUY9dQVHqdwgf9 RGXSykQSdcDT/3pbOVpaE1amQmWLkrALPUCUzfsJYCjZvjXM0b6pg/aLjlUrgQCp aIm0WY50u7F43qd8pf/Ltu9PiLzADGfsRX8lcnKGNS4x/90q0t4D4ls2jOdK+nCI 0oBdKZAsa0ySqpD1U7G7lng= =s2I4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

    That's on the objective meme artistic quality scale, just FYI