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We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
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2018-06-15 at 3:03 AM UTC
Originally posted by -SpectraL "Insects lack the neurological structures that translate a negative stimulus into an emotional experience. We have pain receptors (nocireceptors) that send signals through our spinal cord and to our brain. Within the brain, the thalamus directs these pain signals to different areas for interpretation. The cortex catalogs the source of the pain and compares it to pain we've experienced before. The limbic system controls our emotional response to pain, making us cry or react in anger. Insects don't have these structures, suggesting they don't process physical stimuli emotionally."
That's a quote from a pop science blog on a subject where there is no scientific consensus which casts doubts on the validity of its conclusions, but most importantly it says nothing about wether or not insects have central nervous systems or not -
2018-06-15 at 3:07 AM UTC
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2018-06-15 at 3:09 AM UTC
Originally posted by -SpectraL Regardless of the source, its statements are factual. Sentence by sentence.
That's a nice claim. I've give it to you although I don't believe it, let's just say your pop-sci article is 100% correct. It doesn't change the fact that you lied about insects not having a central nervous system. -
2018-06-15 at 3:14 AM UTCNit picking Willy nillies, can we agree to switch from meat to bugs? Or are we going to argue for a few more pages about nervous systems?
How about we at least move on to what plants feel when we harm them. They clearly respond to physical harm. -
2018-06-15 at 3:18 AM UTC
Originally posted by Kinks Nit picking Willy nillies, can we agree to switch from meat to bugs? Or are we going to argue for a few more pages about nervous systems?
How about we at least move on to what plants feel when we harm them. They clearly respond to physical harm.
https://niggasin.space/thread/21377 -
2018-06-15 at 3:24 AM UTC
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2018-06-15 at 5:34 AM UTC
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2018-06-15 at 6:07 AM UTC
Originally posted by -SpectraL I don't think you understand how a central nervous system actually works.
Not in any particular depth, that doesn't change the fact that you're desperately trying to change the subject instead of simply admitting you were wrong about insects not having central nervous systems. -
2018-06-15 at 7:21 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny Not in any particular depth, that doesn't change the fact that you're desperately trying to change the subject instead of simply admitting you were wrong about insects not having central nervous systems.
I wonder how many people have Un-Central nervous systems. How would thst work? Why does nervous system have to be central anyway? I'm weirded out etc -
2018-06-15 at 10:52 AM UTCHey Zanick, have I made you consider eating animals yet?
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2018-06-18 at 4:46 PM UTC
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2018-06-19 at 4:17 AM UTCBonobos are the closest living genetic relatives to humans. When they eat each other, they treat it no differently then any other meat, with no more or less emotion. They also eat lesser primates and kill them for fun fun time.
It isn't looking too promising that any other species is going to grow a conscience about what they eat and why.
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/10/081013-bonobos-attack-missions.html
http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20161026-hippie-apes-seen-eating-their-own-dead-children
Are humans more important to humans than animals are to humans? Yes, this is a certainty.
Is the welfare of animals of equal or more importance than the welfare of humans? Even assuming the most liberal interpretations in support of a positive answer, this question cannot be affirmatively answered in this lifetime.
When we can combine the definate answer in favor of using animals for our desires, and the unknowable argument against, it is with true reason and rationality that a person decides to use animals for personal desires at the cost of the animal. -
2018-06-19 at 4:45 AM UTC
Originally posted by DietPiano Is the welfare of animals of equal or more importance than the welfare of humans? Even assuming the most liberal interpretations in support of a positive answer, this question cannot be affirmatively answered in this lifetime.
The relevant question is "is the wellbeing of an animal of equal or greater importance than the convenience/preferences of humans" since our wellbeing (at least those of us living in the first world) is not contingent on raising and killing animals for meat. -
2018-06-19 at 4:46 AM UTCP.S. spectral stopped responding. I win.
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2018-06-19 at 5:32 AM UTC
Originally posted by Captain Hey Zanick, have I made you consider eating animals yet?
Sorry, nigga, but no. I was interested in what you had to say about temporality and moral agency, but I don't agree with how you resolve problems of moral consideration. I don't think I'll ever eat meat again, excluding the possibility of some sort of belief-changing crisis. Glad to see you back and breathing life into this sub, and also I'm very excited about 1,500 posts!
