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We have a moral obligation to stop eating meat
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2018-06-12 at 1:44 PM UTC
Originally posted by Obbe You would say no because how would you know my morals are superior? It would be impossible. Morality isn't objective, there is no such thing as a "morally superior" being. Therefore we shouldn't use morality as the basis for any argument when there are better, real, measurable things we could use instead.
^ Illiteracy
I'm not positing the existence of an objectively morally superior being, nor do I need to: someone who operates within the bounds of my moral system but with less inconsistencies and deviations from it's conclusions would be morally superior to me. They don't even need to buy into my morality. They might even propose their own moral system, which generates conclusions I am more comfortable with, and which are more consistent, in which case if I don't have the capacity to get it or the might to resist it, they could probably judge me as being morally equivalent in their eyes, to a cow in my eyes.
Also, what are these better things to use? -
2018-06-12 at 2:07 PM UTC
Originally posted by Captain ^ Illiteracy
I'm not positing the existence of an objectively morally superior being, nor do I need to: someone who operates within the bounds of my moral system but with less inconsistencies and deviations from it's conclusions would be morally superior to me. They don't even need to buy into my morality. They might even propose their own moral system, which generates conclusions I am more comfortable with, and which are more consistent, in which case if I don't have the capacity to get it or the might to resist it, they could probably judge me as being morally equivalent in their eyes, to a cow in my eyes.
Also, what are these better things to use?
The reason you don't get what I am saying is because I'm just morally superior to you. A better thing to use would be something objective and measurable. For example, we shouldn't put people in jail because we believe they are "bad" and want to punish them. We should put people in jail when they demonstrate that they harm society in an objective way and our best option at the time is to separate them from the general population. -
2018-06-12 at 7:20 PM UTC
Originally posted by Obbe The reason you don't get what I am saying is because I'm just morally superior to you. A better thing to use would be something objective and measurable. For example, we shouldn't put people in jail because we believe they are "bad" and want to punish them. We should put people in jail when they demonstrate that they harm society in an objective way and our best option at the time is to separate them from the general population.
Ok, can you explain ur moral system -
2018-06-12 at 8:09 PM UTC
Originally posted by Captain Ok, can you explain ur moral system
That's like a cow asking a human to explain his moral system. It's beyond your capacity. I should know, seeing as I am a morally superior being compared to you.
That's why we shouldn't use morality as a basis for an argument. Mortality is not objective. You cannot prove an argument built on sand. There are better, more convincing ways Zanick could have made his argument. Instead of claiming that meat eating is immoral, he could have tried something we can actually measure like the sustainability of the current industry or the impact it has on our health, etc. -
2018-06-12 at 9:11 PM UTC
Originally posted by Obbe That's like a cow asking a human to explain his moral system. It's beyond your capacity. I should know, seeing as I am a morally superior being compared to you.
Don't be stupid, cows cannot talk to humans or ask them to explain things.
Your simile fails. Explain your moral system.That's why we shouldn't use morality as a basis for an argument.
Uh, so a non-sequitur. Ok.Mortality is not objective. You cannot prove an argument built on sand.
Who said anything about proving anything? This is a circular argument.There are better, more convincing ways Zanick could have made his argument. Instead of claiming that meat eating is immoral, he could have tried something we can actually measure like the sustainability of the current industry or the impact it has on our health, etc.
Lets imagine there is a button labeled "X". Pressing this button will lead to the obliteration of all life on earth in 1 week. Should pressing X be illegal? -
2018-06-12 at 9:52 PM UTC
Originally posted by Captain Who said anything about proving anything? This is a circular argument.
Lets imagine there is a button labeled "X". Pressing this button will lead to the obliteration of all life on earth in 1 week. Should pressing X be illegal?
Exactly, you cannot prove an argument to be true by basing it in morality. Which is why zanick should have picked something other than morality to base his argument on.
I don't know if pressing the button should be illegal, I suppose it depends on what you want to achieve. If the goal is to survive as long as possible, ending all life on earth should probably be against the law. The button should probably also be destroyed. -
2018-06-13 at 12:17 AM UTC
Originally posted by Obbe Exactly, you cannot prove an argument to be true by basing it in morality.
Which is why zanick should have picked something other than morality to base his argument on.
Yeah, I'm not doing this any more.I don't know if pressing the button should be illegal, I suppose it depends on what you want to achieve.
Wow, congratulations on accepting my moral system. -
2018-06-13 at 12:18 AM UTCForget morality, we have an OBLIGATION to eat meat.
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2018-06-13 at 1:40 AM UTCCan I at least eat bugs or something?
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2018-06-13 at 2:10 AM UTCEven though they are sensitive, bugs do not have a central nervous system, therefore they do not feel pain.
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2018-06-13 at 2:11 AM UTCCool, I’m going to eat the fuck out of some bugs then.
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2018-06-13 at 2:12 AM UTCNot recommended. Some bugs contain poisons and viruses.
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2018-06-13 at 2:25 AM UTCOk dad, teach me what bugs I can eat
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2018-06-13 at 2:26 AM UTCI think SpectraL's cock qualifies
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2018-06-13 at 2:31 AM UTCHe would never suggest that
That’s why I asked him and not you. -
2018-06-13 at 2:47 AM UTC
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2018-06-13 at 2:48 AM UTCSucking cock is always a serious business, it has to be done properly
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2018-06-13 at 2:50 AM UTC
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2018-06-13 at 2:52 AM UTC
Originally posted by Kinks Ok dad, teach me what bugs I can eat
Anoplura - lice
Orthoptera - grasshoppers, crickets and cockroaches
Hemiptera - true bugs
Homoptera - cicadas and treehoppers
Hymenoptera - bees, ants and wasps
Diptera - flies and mosquitoes
Coleoptera - beetles
Lepidoptera - butterflies and moths
Megaloptera - alderflies and dobsonflies
Odonata - dragonflies and damselflies
Ephemetoptera - mayflies
Trichoptera - caddisflies
Plecoptera - stoneflies
Neuroptera - lacewings and antlions
Isoptera - termitesThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2018-06-13 at 3:03 AM UTCSee, dad knows best
