What liberal and conservative mean to me

1. 2018-03-31 at 6:32 PM UTC

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   GasTheKikesRaceWarNow Houston [this unquestioningly unfrequented clast]
   I was thinking about these two terms, and what you'd see historians talk about liberal and conservative leaders of the past as being like. I don't have any citations or anything, so don't ask for any.
   
   Liberal means pretty much someone with no real beliefs and no spine. A liberal emperor is the sort that would let the treasury run dry, let the merchants run rampant, and fail to maintain order in the provinces.
   
   On the other hand he'd support the army and go abroad and shit like that.
   
   An example would be Caligula, Caesar, etc.
   
   Conservative means someone who's weak and scared. A conservative emperor is the sort that would fail to support his allies, fail to enact necessary reforms, and fail to undertake public works.
   
   On the other hand he'd gather up lots of money and keep his own country safe.
   
   An example would be one of the later emperors I guess.
   
   Anyway, both are more or less philosophies of decline, and the really good emperors don't fall into either camp.
   
   It's really fucking incredible to me that someone can describe themselves as either conservative or liberal without feeling ashamed.
2. 2018-03-31 at 6:38 PM UTC

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   Zanick motherfucker [my p.a. supernal goa]
   Wow, I don't think you could be more mixed up even if you had deliberately arrived at these beliefs.
3. 2018-03-31 at 6:48 PM UTC

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   GasTheKikesRaceWarNow Houston [this unquestioningly unfrequented clast]

   Originally posted by Zanick Wow, I don't think you could be more mixed up even if you had deliberately arrived at these beliefs.

   
   Let me read your mind and decipher your complex worldview - liberal = good, conservative = evil?
4. 2018-03-31 at 7:15 PM UTC

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   benny vader YELLOW GHOST
   OP is a retardd.
   
   talks about what is and is not liberal and conservative, in an age where a person with a set of penis and balls gets to call himself herself, and vicey versay.
   
   no. nothing is what it says it is anymore.
   
   nothing is what it says it is anymore becos everyone are what they say they are.
5. 2018-03-31 at 7:18 PM UTC

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   Lanny Bird of Courage

   Originally posted by GasTheKikesRaceWarNow An example would be Caligula, Caesar, etc.

   
   I don't really see how you could call (Julius) Caesar anything other than conservative. I mean he's practically he posterboy of far-right regimes and was definitely a traditionalist in his time. Caligula isn't the best documented emperor but I think there's a world of difference between aristocratic disinterest in affairs of state and liberalism, and Caligula seems to fall far more in the former than latter camp.
6. 2018-03-31 at 7:37 PM UTC

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   GasTheKikesRaceWarNow Houston [this unquestioningly unfrequented clast]

   Originally posted by Lanny I don't really see how you could call (Julius) Caesar anything other than conservative. I mean he's practically he posterboy of far-right regimes and was definitely a traditionalist in his time.

   
   Are you confusing Caesar with someone else?
7. 2018-03-31 at 7:39 PM UTC

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   benny vader YELLOW GHOST

   Originally posted by Lanny I don't really see how you could call (Julius) Caesar anything other than conservative. I mean he's practically he posterboy of far-right regimes and was definitely a traditionalist in his time.

   
   yea ... its roman tradition to cross the rubicon.
   
   now go cross your rubicon. bitch.
8. 2018-03-31 at 7:51 PM UTC

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   Lanny Bird of Courage

   Originally posted by GasTheKikesRaceWarNow Are you confusing Caesar with someone else?

   
   No. In what way was he liberal? How is being conquering foreign lands for most of his career and then seizing despotic power liberal?
9. 2018-03-31 at 8:01 PM UTC

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   GasTheKikesRaceWarNow Houston [this unquestioningly unfrequented clast]

   Originally posted by Lanny No. In what way was he liberal? How is being conquering foreign lands for most of his career and then seizing despotic power liberal?

   
   I had a post about how no great warrior was ever conservative, but I got logged out or something just now and it's lost.
   
   Both those things are very liberal things to do. Liberals love to start wars. Peter the Great for example, or James Munroe, or Napoleon. Even Genghis Khan and Hitler. Reformers and war-starters are usually one and the same. Conservatives would rather stay at home.
   
   Caesar was a reformer and didn't care for tradition at all. I'm not even going to argue the point, like Benny Vader said, the guy literally crossed the Rubicon with an army, it's a meme.
10. 2018-03-31 at 8:33 PM UTC

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    Nil African Astronaut [the overexcited four-footed chanar]
    Caesar came up with a new calendar nigga, that shit is reformist af. that being said how can you talk about liberals in antiquity aren't liberals only like a 1700's kinda deal. Makin money in a legal framework without arbitrary bs keepin you down?
11. 2018-03-31 at 8:46 PM UTC

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    GasTheKikesRaceWarNow Houston [this unquestioningly unfrequented clast]
    And he got stabbed when he tried to enact land reform. Giving the rich Roman's land to the po' fo'.
    
    I think liberals are also more likely to be misanthropic to some extent than conservatives. Conservatives are snobby, but will usually get along fine with others so long as they see that it is in their interest, while liberals have to be creating drama, fights, bullshit, stirring shit up.
    
    Liberals are less tolerant than conservatives, and constantly outraged, and as Taleb pointed out, the most intolerant will tend to exert disproportionate influence:
    https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15