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Can't sleep without alcohol
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2015-10-19 at 6:31 AM UTCIt's all very confusing, I'm grieving for someone and working too hard to get promoted and juggling full time work with a relationship and family. Drinking is the only way I get any sleep, I work in six hours and I'm pretty drunk but I know I won't get five hours if I don't have a couple more.
I have this recipe for a get-to-bed drink that includes maybe 2-3 cups vodka diluted in Powerade with a shot of melatonin and one of sublingual b complex vitamin liquid. This routine occurs even when I've spent my day off drinking wine with family and when I see my friends, the tolerance is noticeable. I have to have this every night now and I think vodka is my largest monthly expense now, I'm buying a fifth at least once a week.
This is just temporary, I think. Has anybody else dealt with what seemed like situational alcoholism? Should I be worried? -
2015-10-19 at 7:34 AM UTCThere is this thing I have been reading about in psychology-related literature called 'place conditioning', which I understand to mean that doing the same substance in the same physical location, in the same fashion, can cause a high tolerance. I also understand that this contributes to overdose deaths in heroin addicts who seem to have drastically lower tolerance if they shoot up in an unfamiliar location.
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2015-10-19 at 9:24 AM UTCI reccomend you....seroquel
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2015-10-19 at 1:24 PM UTCYou have narcolepsy, IIRC, could you likely get a prescription for Xyrem (GHB)?
Read this paper when you have time, it's easy to get through and understand, and very good. You may find the effects fascinating and unexpected.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3srHQPi9-05aGI0VENPbk9sRzQ
Even if it's too difficult, if you don't have a good psychiatrist who adheres to rationality enough (That's GHB! There's too much liability, it's abusable and you can overdose!) and is willing to read this paper, it's one of the easiest drugs to synthesize, and very cheap to do so from GABA (very cheap bulk powder available from powder city). This would be a good project for you. Have the archived thread from Zoklet saved: http://web.archive.org/web/20140910135102/https://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=40789
Also, have you heard about orexin antagonists? They're a promising new class of drugs that could treat sleep disorders: http://mentalhealthdaily.com/2015/06/30/new-sleeping-pills-2015-orexin-receptor-antagonists/
Orexin A is also very useful for sleep deprivation: http://archive.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2007/12/sleep_deprivation
On that note, I recall you mentioning having some problems with a modafinil prescription, and I recommended something to you on Zoklet or one of the refugee sites, but you said money was tight and you couldn't really afford to experiment. I've recently trialed this, within the last month or so, and it's the best drug in the afinil family IMO. The vendor is top quality, very trustworthy and knowledgeable, and all products have third party testing: https://newmind.com/crl-40-4657.html?___SID=U
Wrote my review here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Nootropics/comments/3o0nop/first_experiment_with_crl40940_flmodafinil/cvtiwqn -
2015-10-19 at 1:39 PM UTC
You have narcolepsy, IIRC, could you likely get a prescription for Xyrem (GHB)?
Do you work?
Read this paper when you have time, it's easy to get through and understand, and very good. You may find the effects fascinating and unexpected.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3srHQPi9-05aGI0VENPbk9sRzQ
Even if it's too difficult, if you don't have a good psychiatrist who adheres to rationality enough (That's GHB! There's too much liability, it's abusable and you can overdose!) and is willing to read this paper, it's one of the easiest drugs to synthesize, and very cheap to do so from GABA (very cheap bulk powder available from powder city). This would be a good project for you. Have the archived thread from Zoklet saved: http://web.archive.org/web/20140910135102/https://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=40789
Also, have you heard about orexin antagonists? They're a promising new class of drugs that could treat sleep disorders: http://mentalhealthdaily.com/2015/06/30/new-sleeping-pills-2015-orexin-receptor-antagonists/
Orexin A is also very useful for sleep deprivation: http://archive.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2007/12/sleep_deprivation
On that note, I recall you mentioning having some problems with a modafinil prescription, and I recommended something to you on Zoklet or one of the refugee sites, but you said money was tight and you couldn't really afford to experiment. I've recently trialed this, within the last month or so, and it's the best drug in the afinil family IMO. The vendor is top quality, very trustworthy and knowledgeable, and all products have third party testing: https://newmind.com/crl-40-4657.html?___SID=U
Wrote my review here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Nootropics/comments/3o0nop/first_experiment_with_crl40940_flmodafinil/cvtiwqn -
2015-10-19 at 6:26 PM UTCyoure fucked if you dont quit man
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2015-10-19 at 7:43 PM UTC
You have narcolepsy, IIRC, could you likely get a prescription for Xyrem (GHB)?
Read this paper when you have time, it's easy to get through and understand, and very good. You may find the effects fascinating and unexpected.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3srHQPi9-05aGI0VENPbk9sRzQ
Even if it's too difficult, if you don't have a good psychiatrist who adheres to rationality enough (That's GHB! There's too much liability, it's abusable and you can overdose!) and is willing to read this paper, it's one of the easiest drugs to synthesize, and very cheap to do so from GABA (very cheap bulk powder available from powder city). This would be a good project for you. Have the archived thread from Zoklet saved: http://web.archive.org/web/20140910135102/https://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=40789
Also, have you heard about orexin antagonists? They're a promising new class of drugs that could treat sleep disorders: http://mentalhealthdaily.com/2015/06/30/new-sleeping-pills-2015-orexin-receptor-antagonists/
Orexin A is also very useful for sleep deprivation: http://archive.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2007/12/sleep_deprivation
On that note, I recall you mentioning having some problems with a modafinil prescription, and I recommended something to you on Zoklet or one of the refugee sites, but you said money was tight and you couldn't really afford to experiment. I've recently trialed this, within the last month or so, and it's the best drug in the afinil family IMO. The vendor is top quality, very trustworthy and knowledgeable, and all products have third party testing: https://newmind.com/crl-40-4657.html?___SID=U
Wrote my review here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Nootropics/comments/3o0nop/first_experiment_with_crl40940_flmodafinil/cvtiwqn
I cant scrub the autism out of my retinas FUCK -
2015-10-19 at 11:16 PM UTCI've thought of a new term for what ails me: Terminal autism.
That's good advice, though. Find as aspie willing to use their obsessive autism powers for your benefit and you're golden. -
2015-10-20 at 12:27 AM UTCBuy cheap shitty vodka and mix with OJ. Just let it run its course.
...or switch to weed -
2015-10-20 at 12:58 AM UTCCould be you're sleeping too much. After I had to involuntarily quit alcohol I thought the same thing about not being able to sleep anymore. What do you physically do during the day and what kind of job do you have? This is just speculation but I've noticed I don't need more than 5 or 6 hours a night and I'm fine throughout the day. I don't need 8 hours because I do jack shit physically.
90 percent of the time I'm either driving a car or in a comfy chair when not sleeping in bed..leads me to believe 8 hours or even more would be pretty overkill. 8-9 hours would probably be sufficient and needed for someone who stacked lumber for a job or lifted weights 2 hours a day but that's definitely not the norm for most people. So most people are sleeping 8 hours when they really only needed 5 and there's no wonder why they can't get to sleep at night.
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2015-10-20 at 5:32 AM UTC
There is this thing I have been reading about in psychology-related literature called 'place conditioning', which I understand to mean that doing the same substance in the same physical location, in the same fashion, can cause a high tolerance. I also understand that this contributes to overdose deaths in heroin addicts who seem to have drastically lower tolerance if they shoot up in an unfamiliar location.
I admit I haven't sufficiently considered the ways this effects me. I do a lot of drinking, homework and workplace strategy from my bed, besides sleep. My life is more structured than ever and it feels like complete chaos because of this. I might have to reorganize my room so that I have a spot for sleep and an area for work.I reccomend you….seroquel
I haven't had Seroquel, but I've had very unpleasant effects from even mild dopamine antagonists.You have narcolepsy, IIRC, could you likely get a prescription for Xyrem (GHB)?
Read this paper when you have time, it's easy to get through and understand, and very good. You may find the effects fascinating and unexpected.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3srHQPi9-05aGI0VENPbk9sRzQ
Even if it's too difficult, if you don't have a good psychiatrist who adheres to rationality enough (That's GHB! There's too much liability, it's abusable and you can overdose!) and is willing to read this paper, it's one of the easiest drugs to synthesize, and very cheap to do so from GABA (very cheap bulk powder available from powder city). This would be a good project for you. Have the archived thread from Zoklet saved: http://web.archive.org/web/20140910135102/https://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=40789
Also, have you heard about orexin antagonists? They're a promising new class of drugs that could treat sleep disorders: http://mentalhealthdaily.com/2015/06/30/new-sleeping-pills-2015-orexin-receptor-antagonists/
Xyrem is an interesting drug and I've love to have it, but my insurance won't cover it. Besides that, my narcolepsy doesn't present with cataplexy so I doubt my neurologist would cover it and asking for it would possibly result in him not being my script monkey anymore. Personal synthesis is an interesting idea, if it's simple enough I might have to look into that. Thanks! I'll be sure to let you know how it turns out if I end up trying this.Orexin A is also very useful for sleep deprivation: http://archive.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2007/12/sleep_deprivation
Last I heard, they were still doing nasal spray trials with monkeys in Germany. Has it progressed to a point at which I can buy it online? That'd be fucking perfect, I've been wanting to play around with pure orexin since I got my diagnosis six years ago.On that note, I recall you mentioning having some problems with a modafinil prescription, and I recommended something to you on Zoklet or one of the refugee sites, but you said money was tight and you couldn't really afford to experiment. I've recently trialed this, within the last month or so, and it's the best drug in the afinil family IMO. The vendor is top quality, very trustworthy and knowledgeable, and all products have third party testing: https://newmind.com/crl-40-4657.html?___SID=U
Wrote my review here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Nootropics/comments/3o0nop/first_experiment_with_crl40940_flmodafinil/cvtiwqn
I've been on and off modafinil a few times, but the bulk of my side effects are remedied by taking it sublingually. Something longer acting might be preferable, given my work/school schedule this semester. Even if there's cross-tolerance, I might have to give that a try as 17.88 is barely more than my copay for moda each month and if it lasts me that long, I definitely want to explore it. New Mind is great, I think I've used them in the past for dopamine agonists, -racetams, caffeine/theanine and such.
Thanks for all your input, I have lots to consider.youre fucked if you dont quit man
My concern is that it'll sneak up on me before I realize it's a problem, do you have experience with this?Buy cheap shitty vodka and mix with OJ. Just let it run its course.
…or switch to weed
I don't want vodka that's too awful, my friends and family would definitely notice if I downgrade in quality and increase in quantity and there would be an uncomfortable conversation if my use were to increase much more. Can't smoke, I'm looking for promotion and upward movement in my company requires drug testing. Maybe after, if only to celebrate.Could be you're sleeping too much. After I had to involuntarily quit alcohol I thought the same thing about not being able to sleep anymore. What do you physically do during the day and what kind of job do you have? This is just speculation but I've noticed I don't need more than 5 or 6 hours a night and I'm fine throughout the day. I don't need 8 hours because I do jack shit physically.
90 percent of the time I'm either driving a car or in a comfy chair when not sleeping in bed..leads me to believe 8 hours or even more would be pretty overkill. 8-9 hours would probably be sufficient and needed for someone who stacked lumber for a job or lifted weights 2 hours a day but that's definitely not the norm for most people. So most people are sleeping 8 hours when they really only needed 5 and there's no wonder why they can't get to sleep at night.
I sleep about five hours a night lately, letting my medication keep me awake the next day throughout. Typically I'd need eight hours and coffee to function, but I'm experiencing some sort of episode lately that's likely related to grief and booze and supplementary drugs.
I supervise in a fast-paced retail pharmacy, so I'm on my feet a lot at a full-time job that takes a lot out of me emotionally and cognitively.
Why did you stop involuntarily? Did you have an intervention of sorts by family/friends? Either way, do you think it was the right thing when you stopped and do you think you could have seen warning signs before it got there? -
2015-10-20 at 12:19 PM UTCstanding up and walking about for 8 hours isn't proper exercise. When you get off work, do something with high intensity like sprinting up a hill or lifting weights. If you legit don't have time after work (you do) then on ur off day that u said you spend drinking wine with everyone you should be drinking less and exercising more. It sounds like you have a problem already and it sounds like you are starting to see it as a problem which is good because it is a huge problem but maybe you need a little help from you family and friends. I had a drug problem and knew it was a problem, like you I couldn't sleep without the drug and couldn't even do anything without it I let it get out of control and it wasn't until I was hospitalized for the 3rd time that I realised I was fucked up way too much and needed to stop. I hope you get the help you need before you require hospital visit and rehab because it sounds like your career is on the up and I can only assume a career in the pharmacy field will be ruined if you have to go to rehab for substance abuse. You seem like a smart person and hopefully you can get through this with prayer, exercise, and determination but don't be afraid to ask for help from friends family doctor or God there is only so much text from strangers on a screen can do. Good luck and I will keep you in my prayers.
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2015-10-20 at 12:39 PM UTC
I sleep about five hours a night lately, letting my medication keep me awake the next day throughout. Typically I'd need eight hours and coffee to function, but I'm experiencing some sort of episode lately that's likely related to grief and booze and supplementary drugs.
I supervise in a fast-paced retail pharmacy, so I'm on my feet a lot at a full-time job that takes a lot out of me emotionally and cognitively.
Why did you stop involuntarily? Did you have an intervention of sorts by family/friends? Either way, do you think it was the right thing when you stopped and do you think you could have seen warning signs before it got there?
I caught an assault charge this past may and was put on an alcohol monitoring bracelet called SCRAM. It doubles as a gps as well. I'm on day 62 now. I've been drinking pretty heavily the past decade or so. To me it's a lot of mental self trickery thinking you really need alcohol to sleep. I feel it's actually benefited me more dramatically than I would have ever thought and don't really care if I never drink again. I suppose the most obvious red flag signs are when it's causing you to get in trouble with the law whether it's a dui, a fight you instigated etc..
It doesn't seem that you are really near the "dependence" stage or whatever people call it. You're stressed and have crappy things going on right now it's extremely common for people to drink more than normal in that circumstance. Only sleeping 5 hours though you should be more than tired by the time you should be going to sleep. You mentioned medications are they pseudo stimulants by any chance?
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2015-10-20 at 1:58 PM UTCI'm a full blown alco and I find 45mg of mirtazapine hits the spot and it is non addictive. I sometimes take 15mg of serepax on the side. ask your doctor for remeron.
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2015-10-21 at 5:56 PM UTC
My concern is that it'll sneak up on me before I realize it's a problem, do you have experience with this?
I don't have a problem with alcohol because I legitimately just do not enjoy it anymore, but I've had experience with using drugs on a daily/semi daily basis and getting hooked, or at least in that groove of routine. The problem is is that it's already a habit. You take it every night. Habits progress on their own unless you stop them. You know tolerance will occur and just get worse with time. And you know that if you take a certain path every day, you will eventually reach the destination that path leads to.
Actually, I kind of do have the same problem with you except that I use weed for sleep. And all that is basically what I've found. Luckily for me the consequences of using THC everyday for an extended period of time are much easier to overcome than those of using alcohol everyday for an extended period of time.
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2015-10-23 at 12:52 PM UTCI am inclined to believe that administering B vitamins before sleep would be somewhat counterproductive.
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2015-11-02 at 1:54 AM UTCA bit late to this thread but w/e.
I've had sleep problems since I was a kid and booze definitely helps. I've found benzos, alcohol, and indica all more or less fix the problem but there are obvious reasons why sustained use of any of those isn't idea. I've settled on vaped weed as being the least likely to fuck me up long term. Valerian helps a little and melatonin doesn't knock me out, which is my usual problem, but it lets me sleep a lot longer and it feels more restful. If you find something that will put you to sleep reliably and doesn't kill one organ or another let me know, -
2015-11-02 at 2:35 AM UTC^personally for me booze doesn't help, but I have a prostate problem and it bugs it. But sure yeah I can sleep if I get drunk enough, but I usually wake up way to early. To each their own I guess.
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2015-11-02 at 4:14 AM UTCYeah, there's a sweet spot for me, too much and I'll wake three hours after going to sleep feeling awake but shitty, and too little won't do anything at all but somewhere between there's a point where it'll put me out but then when it wears off I'm deep enough asleep that it's not an issue. I could see that balance being smaller or non-existent for some people though, for sure.
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2015-11-12 at 3:46 PM UTCHow is your alcohol problem coming along Zanik?
