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How Plants Communicate and Think
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2018-03-08 at 4:32 PM UTC
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2018-03-08 at 4:43 PM UTC
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2018-03-08 at 4:46 PM UTCThe word intelligence derives from the Latin intelegere; to choose between. In situations of choice if the decision made after assessment is beneficial, it is considered to be an intelligent decision. Legg and Hutter (2007) collected some 70 different definitions of intelligence and summarized them as follows. Intelligence: (i) Is a property that an individual has as it interacts with its environment or environments. (ii) Is related to the agents ability to succeed or profit with respect to some goal or objective. (iii) Depends on how able the agent is to adapt to different objectives or environments.
In the same numerical order. (i) Wild plants interact with and respond to their environment via competitive and other biotic and abiotic signals. (ii) The goal or objective is fitness with seed number as a fitness proxy. Those most successful, and thus most fit, provide more offspring. (iii) Fitness depends on the skill with which individuals best adapt to their environment throughout their life cycle (McNamara and Houston, 1996). Those individual plants that can master and adapt to the problems of competition, master other biotic and abiotic stresses with greater plasticity, lower cost, higher probability, or more rapidly, are fitter and on this basis are more intelligent. Finally intelligence is a capacity for problem solving, (the psychologists choice) and profiting from experience another (Jennings, 1923; Gardner, 1983; Sternberg and Detterman, 1986; Sternberg, 1986). All effectively say the same thing.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4845027/ -
2018-03-08 at 4:52 PM UTC
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2018-03-08 at 4:55 PM UTC
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2018-03-08 at 4:55 PM UTCHow do you define communication, open your mind? Is it the exchange of information? If I'm playing pool, and I hit the white ball and it transfers some energy to another ball that it hits, would it be accurate to say that the balls are communicating?
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2018-03-08 at 6:41 PM UTC
Originally posted by greenplastic How do you define communication, open your mind? Is it the exchange of information? If I'm playing pool, and I hit the white ball and it transfers some energy to another ball that it hits, would it be accurate to say that the balls are communicating?
When I push air through my vocal cords in a specific pattern and you hear those sounds and interpret that information, is that fundamentally different than a plant sending information to other plants using chemicals and the analogous senses these lifeforms use to detect said chemicals?
Originally posted by Fox Paws I’ll answer your question with a question. Just to establish a baseline.
What does it mean for something to be “alive”? Basically what are the characteristics you would use to differentiate, say, a dog from a brick?
Can you just answer the question I asked you first? I mean we can talk about what life means and how we define it later. First I want to talk about plant intelligence and why you think intelligence cannot be applied to plants, even after considering the cited findings in this thread. -
2018-03-08 at 6:49 PM UTCYeah but you need to answer my question so I can answer your question. Trust me ok
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2018-03-08 at 7:05 PM UTC
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2018-03-08 at 7:07 PM UTCKill the thread
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2018-03-08 at 7:10 PM UTC
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2018-03-08 at 7:11 PM UTC
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2018-03-08 at 7:12 PM UTC
Originally posted by Open Your Mind There is no reason we need to talk about how we define life before you explain why you think plants cannnot demonstrate intelligence.
When arguing semantics it’s important to me to establish a baseline.
But that’s alright I didn’t feel like talking about it anyways. -
2018-03-08 at 7:17 PM UTC
Originally posted by Fox Paws When arguing semantics it’s important to me to establish a baseline.
But that’s alright I didn’t feel like talking about it anyways.
So you are just arguing semantics? In other words, you agree that these plants sense their environment, process the information and make decisons, you just don't want to call that intelligence (for some reason).
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2018-03-08 at 7:24 PM UTC
Originally posted by Open Your Mind So you are just arguing semantics? In other words, you agree that these plants sense their environment, process the information and make decisons, you just don't want to call that intelligence (for some reason).
I never said they make decisions.
There is obviously data showing they can sense their environment etc, as you’ve provided. That doesn’t prove your claim that this can be called intelligence. THAT would be semantics.
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2018-03-08 at 7:27 PM UTC
Originally posted by Fox Paws I never said they make decisions.
There is obviously data showing they can sense their environment etc, as you’ve provided. That doesn’t prove your claim that this can be called intelligence. THAT would be semantics.
Nice try
According to this plants do fit the definition...
https://niggasin.space/thread/21377?p=3#post-362877 -
2018-03-08 at 7:31 PM UTC
Originally posted by Open Your Mind According to this plants do fit the definition…
https://niggasin.space/thread/21377?p=3#post-362877
Look it here I can cite stuff too:
“The definition of intelligence is controversial.[6]”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence#Definitions
[6] S. Legg; M. Hutter. "A Collection of Definitions of Intelligence". 157: 17–24. https://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1565458 -
2018-03-08 at 7:32 PM UTCSEMANTICS
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2018-03-08 at 7:34 PM UTC
Originally posted by Fox Paws Yeah I know I was just trolling him
You’ve been gone a while though I guess you don’t know that 90% of the shit he says is plagiarized verbatim from people way smarter than him. It’s been proven
But are those people wrong though?
I didn't read the science about the plants, but i've done my research on mycelium and mycelia in fungi are capable of collecting intelligence and transmitting it to their corresponding plants and neighbors — whatever they’re connected to, really. This intelligence includes information about how to survive and fight disease, warnings about nearby dangers, and guidance in raising a host plant’s defenses. Mycelium also act as a kind of “mother” that allows the transfer of nutrients among interconnected plants.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
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