2018-02-23 at 1:13 AM UTC
Did read the quote, so I will attack this stupid ass point
Originally posted by HTS
Human industry is the wild. Stop pretending we aren't just wild ass animals just because you can philosophize some shit. Plus, having your throat torn out by a wolf isn't less horrifying than any of the methods we use to kill animals. Subjecting animals to industrial farming is almost noble by comparison to what other animals do to eachother in the wild. Which you're okay with.
Human industry is not "the wild". We define "the wild" by contrast with the state of society. The reason human society isn't "the wild" is because we can do things like form social contracts or derive laws from the categorical imperative, wherein we give up the "rights" granted to us by the state of nature ("the wild") in order to secure and express true freedoms like the right to life, the right to freedom of expression etc. That's also why we punish people who violate each other's rights. Society is a human construction, duh, of course it's not some universal metaconcept like physics, but that doesn't make it any less meaningful or useful.
If you disagree, go live out in Somalia, where the modern state of society is inapplicable and the conditions are truly wild.
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2018-02-23 at 1:23 AM UTC
Originally posted by Jeremus
Did read the quote, so I will attack this stupid ass point
Human industry is not "the wild". We define "the wild" by contrast with the state of society. The reason human society isn't "the wild" is because we can do things like form social contracts or derive laws from the categorical imperative, wherein we give up the "rights" granted to us by the state of nature ("the wild") in order to secure and express true freedoms like the right to life, the right to freedom of expression etc. That's also why we punish people who violate each other's rights. Society is a human construction, duh, of course it's not some universal metaconcept like physics, but that doesn't make it any less meaningful or useful.
If you disagree, go live out in Somalia, where the modern state of society is inapplicable and the conditions are truly wild.
Human egotism doesn't change the fact that we are still the wild. It's like saying ant colonies aren't the wild because within their tiny domain they've domeaticated aphids and their tunnels exist outside of "the wild". Bullshit, all of it. Human society is just a giant global ant colony. It's as much "the wild" as anything else, if you try seeing things objectively. π€
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2018-02-23 at 1:32 AM UTC
I don't find there anything wrong with slaughter, rather how it's conducted. You'll never convert everyone to vegetarians, but you could change the conditions in which the animals in question are raised and slaughtered in,which IMO is far worse a moral issue than humanely slaughtering a critter. Everything dies eventually anyway... Though I do believe the animals we do use for food should be given respect of having a decent life before it dies, and killed in the most stress free, painless way possible. This is why I loved raising my own meat and slaughtering them myself. I knew what life it lived, what it ate, how it was treated, and exactly how it died. I think anyone who consumes meat should at least see first hand how it gets to their plate once in their lives. There are other options to factory farming. You can raise it yourself, buy or pay into a CSA for it. Some people get together and buy a quarter or half a cow together that's been grass fed/small farm raised in good conditions.
That should be your moral crusade, because at least that's winnable,where turning everyone vegetarian is pretty... Hopeless.
2018-02-23 at 2:53 AM UTC
Originally posted by Jeremus
Didn't read
good, i didn't write all that for faggots to read.
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2018-02-23 at 12:26 PM UTC
the problem with the fred title is that morals are subjective
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