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2016-09-15 at 7:33 PM UTC
Sure, that would be appreciated.
Why should pedophilia be considered a sexual preference rather than a mental disorder? Is it possible for something like pedophilia or objectophilia to be both, like a sexual preference that is caused by a mental disorder? According to wikipedia, pedophilia is considered to be a psychiatric disorder. Can you show reasons why we should consider that to be not true?
My position is not that transgenderism is a sexual preference; rather it is that if it makes sense to consider a person to have a type of mental disorder if they have an irregular gender identity, than it should also make sense to consider a person to have a type mental disorder if they have an irregular sexual preference, should it not? Both our gender identity and our sexual preferences should, I imagine, have something to do with specific structures in our brains. Therefore irregularities in our gender identities or sexual preferences (as well as numerous other things like personality traits and disorders) should correspond to irregularities in the brain structures. This is a reasonable position to have, is it not?
It sounds like a reasonable position to have and let's say for arguments sake that your position holds true. Irregular sexual preference is caused by mental disorders, ok, then it follows to say that homosexuality and bisexuality is caused by a mental disorder as well. For the record i don't think they are but you can't have it both ways. Either everyone that falls outside the norm of regular sexual preference has a mental disorder or no one does.
I don't think pedophiles have a different brain than other people. And if we are to believe blacklbird's claim that:
[greentext]>Transgender people literally have a brain thats more similar to the gender they identify as than their birth gender.[/greentext]
Then if we consider different brain structure the root of mental disorders i would say transgenders would fit the definition better. -
2016-09-15 at 8:01 PM UTC
It sounds like a reasonable position to have and let's say for arguments sake that your position holds true. Irregular sexual preference is caused by mental disorders, ok, then it follows to say that homosexuality and bisexuality is caused by a mental disorder as well. For the record i don't think they are but you can't have it both ways. Either everyone that falls outside the norm of regular sexual preference has a mental disorder or no one does.
I agree that homosexuality and bisexuality would also be caused by differences or irregularities in brain structures, however I would classify those as mental and behavioral patterns and not disorders. I would say a mental and behavioral pattern could be considered to be a disorder if it were shown to cause a person suffering or a poor ability to function in life. To accept your claim that transgenderism is a mental disorder but pedophilia is not, you would need to demonstrate how transgenderism is a cause of such suffering and how pedophilia is not.I don't think pedophiles have a different brain than other people.
What causes pedophilia? Surely, it must be a difference found in the brain - if we all had the same brain structures, wouldn't we all behave the same way? According to the wiki article I linked you to, although the cause of pedophilia is not yet known, researchers began reporting a series of findings linking pedophilia with brain structure and function, beginning in 2002.And if we are to believe blacklbird's claim that:
[greentext]>Transgender people literally have a brain thats more similar to the gender they identify as than their birth gender.[/greentext]
Then if we consider different brain structure the root of mental disorders i would say transgenders would fit the definition better.
If the cause of transgenderism is a difference in brain structures, is it hard to imagine that a similar difference is the cause of pedophilia? -
2016-09-15 at 11:28 PM UTC
I agree that homosexuality and bisexuality would also be caused by differences or irregularities in brain structures, however I would classify those as mental and behavioral patterns and not disorders. I would say a mental and behavioral pattern could be considered to be a disorder if it were shown to cause a person suffering or a poor ability to function in life. To accept your claim that transgenderism is a mental disorder but pedophilia is not, you would need to demonstrate how transgenderism is a cause of such suffering and how pedophilia is not.
Ask a tranny, i bet they suffer pretty bad due to body/gender dysphoria. On the other hand, i don't particularly suffer because i like little girls. Sure it would be nicer if people just accepted it and moved on but i imagine the same holds true for faggots.What causes pedophilia? Surely, it must be a difference found in the brain - if we all had the same brain structures, wouldn't we all behave the same way? According to the wiki article I linked you to, although the cause of pedophilia is not yet known, researchers began reporting a series of findings linking pedophilia with brain structure and function, beginning in 2002.
Why must it be? This sounds like the classical nature versus nurture argument.If the cause of transgenderism is a difference in brain structures, is it hard to imagine that a similar difference is the cause of pedophilia?
No but let's just call it a mental and behavioural pattern then because i just told you i do not suffer because of it. -
2016-09-16 at 12:25 AM UTC
Ask a tranny, i bet they suffer pretty bad due to body/gender dysphoria. On the other hand, i don't particularly suffer because i like little girls. Sure it would be nicer if people just accepted it and moved on but i imagine the same holds true for faggots.
I can imagine it would be difficult to be a tranny. I can also imagine some might not really suffer because of it and might even be able to live a nice life with people who accept them, kinda like how you claim to. But I also can imagine some pedos must suffer quite a bit because they are pedos. In reality, there are probably all sorts of pedos and trannys, some probably suffer more than others, some less, but how do you know you aren't one pedo out of a thousand, the exception to the rule? My point is that if you want anyone to seriously consider your claim that transgenderism should be treated like a mental illness and pedophilia should not be, you're going to have to back it up with more than anecdotal evidence,Why must it be? This sounds like the classical nature versus nurture argument.
I don't know if that would make a substantial difference in the argument Sophie. Whether or not irregularities in the brain causing irregular sexual persuasions are formed through nature or through nurture would not matter. If you are suggesting that the cause of pedophilia is not a physically different brain structure, what do you suggest is? Why are you a pedophile?No but let's just call it a mental and behavioural pattern then because i just told you i do not suffer because of it.
Ok? I don't care if you personally think you have a mental illness or not. Whether or not you personally suffer due to your irregular sexual preferences does not change how the world categorizes it, and right now, the world says it is a psychiatric disorder. Sorry. And maybe you're right. Maybe the world should call it a mental and behavioral pattern instead of an illness. It's all mostly semantics anyway. -
2016-09-16 at 5:50 AM UTC
I would classify those as mental and behavioral patterns and not disorders. I would say a mental and behavioral pattern could be considered to be a disorder if it were shown to cause a person suffering or a poor ability to function in life.
Gay people are not happy, they have higher rates of depression, suicide, addiction. I would think having an abnormal attraction and not being able to effectively procreate would affect someones function in life. I'm not saying it's bad but it doesn't look very fun either, not being able to fulfill your biological needs because it disgusts you.
Gender dysphoria causes a lot of suffering, people try to cut off their own genitals and require hormones and surgery to feel normal, without technology you would feel like shit 24/7.
I have never met a gay person that seemed well adjusted, they are so riddled with problems and absolutely refuse any kind of help or treatment because society tells them its okay to be gay.
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2016-09-16 at 12:12 PM UTC
and right now, the world says it is a psychiatric disorder. Sorry. And maybe you're right. Maybe the world should call it a mental and behavioral pattern instead of an illness. It's all mostly semantics anyway.
Kind of like how homosexuality used to be in the DSM. But if you believe you're something you are not (i.e. a woman when you are a man) you are confused in the very least. -
2016-09-16 at 2:16 PM UTC
Gay people are not happy, they have higher rates of depression, suicide, addiction. I would think having an abnormal attraction and not being able to effectively procreate would affect someones function in life. I'm not saying it's bad but it doesn't look very fun either, not being able to fulfill your biological needs because it disgusts you.
Gender dysphoria causes a lot of suffering, people try to cut off their own genitals and require hormones and surgery to feel normal, without technology you would feel like shit 24/7.
I have never met a gay person that seemed well adjusted, they are so riddled with problems and absolutely refuse any kind of help or treatment because society tells them its okay to be gay.
I don't disagree with you. However, for some reason society has decided being gay is not a mental illness but being a pedophile is. If Sophie wants to change that he should be able to give us a reasonable argument as to why. -
2016-09-16 at 2:25 PM UTC
Kind of like how homosexuality used to be in the DSM. But if you believe you're something you are not (i.e. a woman when you are a man) you are confused in the very least.
Not necessarily. If we are to believe people who support transgenderism that gender and sex are two different things, than being born with an irregular gender identity is no more strange or confusing than being born with an irregular sexual preference. I don't disagree that these irregularities probably stem from irregularities in the brain and could be considered disorders, pedophilia included, but that determination is a societal one. The LGBT community had been fighting to change the way society views them and it seems to be working, like you said being gay is no longer in the DSM. Are you able to do the same thing? Again, if you want us to seriously consider your claim that transgenderism should be treated like a mental illness yet pedophilia should not be, you will need to back that up with something better than your anecdotal evidence. -
2016-09-16 at 10:02 PM UTC
I don't disagree with you. However, for some reason society has decided being gay is not a mental illness but being a pedophile is. If Sophie wants to change that he should be able to give us a reasonable argument as to why.
It will change and become more accepted naturally along with pretty much everything considered degenerate by the mainstream. The reason God flooded the earth is because humans were too corrupt, monsters roamed the earth and men got too much power. When God sent down angels all the village people tried to gang rape them.[FONT=Arial][SIZE=15px]But before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both young and old, all the people to the last man, surrounded the house. And they called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know them.†Lot went out to the men at the entrance, shut the door after him, and said, “I beg you, my brothers, do not act so wickedly.[/SIZE][/FONT]Behold, I have two daughters who have not known any man. Let me bring them out to you, and do to them as you please.[FONT=Arial][SIZE=15px] Only do nothing to these men, for they have come under the shelter of my roof.â€â€”Genesis 19:4-8[/SIZE][/FONT]
A great flood is coming.
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2016-09-16 at 10:09 PM UTC
It will change and become more accepted naturally along with pretty much everything considered degenerate by the mainstream. The reason God flooded the earth is because humans were too corrupt, monsters roamed the earth and men got too much power. When God sent down angels all the village people tried to gang rape them.
A great flood is coming.
Did you see the recent End Times events today? -
2016-09-16 at 10:29 PM UTC
Did you see the recent End Times events today?
Yeah weird coincidence. I was gonna post in that thread about my post here. I believe mainstream degeneracy being a sign of end times more than North Korea and GMO crops. -
2016-09-16 at 11:26 PM UTCleft pillar vs right pillar in a world of opinions that dont exist argue about it to get ripped apart by the cycle
