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2017-11-11 at 9:39 PM UTCAmanitas are in my experience: underrated, misunderstood, and often improperly used for a multitude of reasons.
The biggest barrier to entry is finding good ones. I got into these mushrooms having found a local variety in the woods and ended up having amazing experiences with them. Subsequently, when my supply ran out I looked to the internet for more with the mushrooms to try out and ended up with a bunch of bullshit. It's no wonder so many people dismiss amanitas when they end up with product that doesn't do a fucking thing or barely gets you to the beginning level of the high.
Let's get this out of the way first: If you've tried amanitas and you didn't start having weird muscle spasms, short term memory all fucked up and life flash framing around you, then a comatose-like sleep where you couldn't feel anything... then you didn't get high and your mushrooms were shit. Amanitas will get you HIGH. Legally and safely.
"But Psychlonic, I've heard the ibotenic acid in them is bad for you and makes you nauseous."
We'll get to that, but first you need quality mushrooms. From my experience, everything you find online from eastern European countries is bullshit. The only good ones I found came from the Pacific Northwest, US. Washington amanitas are pretty common online, I recommend you look for them. It doesn't matter how pretty the caps are, but get caps not a bunch of stems.
For those of you who want to look in your local woods, you probably already know the dangers of destroying angels and death caps that are part of the amanita family. There's too much to go over here to try to teach you how to safely select amanitas, but here is some quick tips:
- Destroying angels and death caps look absolutely nothing like psychoactive amanitas. When you can identify a member of the amanita family, knowing the poisonous ones is easier than learning all of the psychoactive ones.
- There is a test to determine if your mushroom will kill you, look up what's called the "Wieland-Meixner" test.
- Contrary to widespread belief, there is a cure for amatoxin poisoning if you fuck up: silibinin, an extract of milk thistle. This coupled with aggressive hydration will save your life. In a pinch, down obscene amounts of milk thistle.
It shouldn't come to that last option though if you follow the first tip. Or just buy online. Again, get the Washington caps don't get that eastern Europe bullshit it's a waste of your time.
And it will be a waste of your time, because to enjoy amanitas to their fullest, you need to process them. Ibotenic acid decarboxylates into muscimol - the fun stuff - when heated to around 170 degrees in an acidic environment. Simply, fill a ceramic pot with caps, add lemon juice which should have a pH of around 2 until they cover the caps, and heat on low for 3 hours.
enhancement out as much of the juice as you possibly can afterward. That juice is what will get you high. I recommend making large batches and testing the potency of your resulting liquid, each batch will be different. Gram for gram they're not as potent as psilocybes so taking more than 10g cap equivalent of the juice is expected. I crudely just measure in shotglasses how much it takes for me. With a good product, it only takes me 2 shots to feel the effects pretty damn good and 3 shots to completely fuck myself up. 1 shot I can function in public without any problems and almost acts in a nootropic kind of way.
I made this topic to promote something I enjoy quite a bit. Amanitas are actually pretty safe and can even be good for you if taken in responsible doses and frequency. Yet, I typically just see posts about how they're potentially dangerous, can kill you, make you vomit, etc. or that they just do almost nothing and aren't that exciting. Questions, comments, and death threats welcome.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2017-11-11 at 9:48 PM UTCWhat do you enjoy about them? I have always dismissed them as they never seemed very interesting.
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2017-11-11 at 10:02 PM UTCIt's hard to describe, but the body high is kind of like being drunker than you can possibly get drunk because there's no alcohol poisoning involved and the mood lift is pretty neat. More than that, though, the mind seems to start thinking faster than should be possible, almost like the subconscious surfaces up to think alongside the conscious mind. For me, memory recall of even the most remote memory becomes a breeze. One thing I noticed as well was that I could recall dreams I normally only think to recall if I'm actually dreaming. That's pretty strange.
I actually had one of my most profound experiences doing amanitas of all things when I was experimenting with extraction and doses. I based a lot of my first batch on PsychedSubstances and was expecting a similar high and low potency. Well, I fucked up and pretty much sent myself into a temporary coma and... best way to describe it was that before I passed out I knew my mind was going to complete shit but then when I passed out it was total clarity. But I only had my thoughts, there was no imagery typical of a dream. I knew I had taken amanitas and then I started thinking and somehow got trapped in a thought process I couldn't break out of, like my subconscious became my primary consciousness and all I could do was think super fast and calculate things. Then I thought I fucked up and eventually reached some kind of answer to the nature of the universe and that answer had trapped me in this thought cycle I was stuck in for apparently hours.
Eventually I shook myself out of it and it was 4:26 in the morning. I remember the time because being able to open my eyes and be a normal human being again instead of a supercomputer seemed like a miracle at the time. I was still so high that I tried typing some things out on my computer but my hands were tweaking out like crazy.
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2017-11-11 at 10:08 PM UTC
Originally posted by Psychlonic If you've tried amanitas and you didn't start having weird muscle spasms, short term memory all fucked up and life flash framing around you, then a comatose-like sleep where you couldn't feel anything… then you didn't get high and your mushrooms were shit. Amanitas will get you HIGH. Legally and safely.
I'm not sure how I feel about calling the effects of delirium caused by amanita or datura or even DPH a "high". They're psychoactive, sure, but seriously... why would you do that to yourself? -
2017-11-11 at 10:13 PM UTC
Originally posted by HTS I'm not sure how I feel about calling the effects of delirium caused by amanita or datura or even DPH a "high". They're psychoactive, sure, but seriously… why would you do that to yourself?
The post above you explains it kind of. Once you get the sweet spot dose down, it's simply a relaxing item. Guarantees amazing sleep and is good for recalling old memories you might not even realize you still have. Thoughts sort of just daisy chain into each other in a way nothing else I've tried seems to accomplish. Granted, my example was a bit overdramatic with the side effects. If anything, the worst part is that it invariably makes you go to sleep. I've found that if you wake up shortly after, you can tend to enjoy the effects conscious again for awhile. -
2017-11-12 at 4:37 AM UTCThanks for the info
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2017-11-12 at 4:46 AM UTCGood thread. But i will stick to the non-deleriant variety of drugs.
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2017-11-12 at 6:14 AM UTC
Originally posted by HTS I'm not sure how I feel about calling the effects of delirium caused by amanita or datura or even DPH a "high". They're psychoactive, sure, but seriously… why would you do that to yourself?
Idk, i hate dph but its an interesting mindset if you can stomach it without losing your shit. I have a high tolerance for hearing women scream at me at 3am and sleeping in bed with spiders.
Right now I've been toying with melatonin.it's been giving me these delusional dream like states where I'm not sure if what's happening is real or a dream. Sometimes I'm very confused. But its super vivid and i remember it well. The dreams are also bizarre as fuck. Seems to only happen when i dose late at night. It's like a halfway sleep paralysis state. I've watched my body from atop the room, I've fought monsters, I've flown over the earth. It isn't reliable, maybe 1/10 nights it happens, but damn is it cool even though its basically delerium. Tis that nice sleepy delerium though, which is why I'm curious to see if amanita is at all similar. -
2017-11-12 at 6:15 AM UTCDph is really heavy and janky though. Not good for this dreamland state i luv
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2017-11-12 at 6:16 AM UTCOP provide a source
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2017-11-12 at 7:59 AM UTCI've taken neither DPH nor datura but by all accounts from people who've done amanitas and either/both, it's not the same at all. And in my experience, delirium really isn't a great word to describe the effects of amanitas anyway, all citations using the two words in the same sentence come from people with mostly scholarly info and no experience in the matter. Not that I'm saying "just try it, you'll love it!" by any means, merely throwing that out there for what it's worth.
eternityinabox had some good caps last time I was there, no idea what their stock is now. iamshaman may have some as well. Again, I wouldn't waste money on the pristine caps just because they're pretty. Plus, you may end up not liking it so you have to weigh cost efficiencies at some point. For the money you might prefer to just get 1P-LSD, for example. Me, I like options on hand.
As for use in sleep, muscimol is a GABA analog. A smaller dose will pretty much just put you to sleep after feeling a little numb. Again, it's a bit like being drunk but you sleep harder. In fact amanitas are fairly unique (but not totally) in that they can cross the blood-brain barrier and bind to the GABA receptors directly, suppressing the CNS. GABA intake itself won't do that and melatonin takes a bit more time to convert existing aminos from stimulants to suppressants (GABA).
However, if melatonin is interesting to you, I might recommend looking into red reishi mushrooms and possibly even wormwood. They're totally different in how they act, but they both seem to have a slight impact on my dreams. Red reishi naturally raises melatonin levels which then of course increases GABA. Wormwood actually inhibits GABA receptors but if you're already tired it doesn't seem to stop a person from falling asleep. Perhaps the GABA inhibition is why people seem to dream more vividly on the stuff. I could go on about that subject for ages, having experimented with different teas and tincture combinations before bed while keeping a dream journal.
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2017-11-12 at 10:57 AM UTCcool name
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2017-11-12 at 2:34 PM UTC
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2017-11-12 at 7:31 PM UTCI have to say, I'm being convinced to try it.
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2017-11-12 at 7:34 PM UTCI know when I get high, I make sure it involves comatose-like sleep. That way, I am certain I was high when I wake up!
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2017-11-12 at 9:21 PM UTC
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2017-11-12 at 10:16 PM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2017-11-12 at 10:35 PM UTC
Originally posted by AngryOnion Will this work?
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Fly-Agaric-Amanita-Muscaria-Glycerite-Dried-Mushrooms-Caps-Alcohol-Free-Liquid-Extract-Fly-Amanita-Glycerite-Herbal-Supplement-2-oz/389654947
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2017-11-12 at 10:41 PM UTC
Originally posted by AngryOnion Will this work?
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Fly-Agaric-Amanita-Muscaria-Glycerite-Dried-Mushrooms-Caps-Alcohol-Free-Liquid-Extract-Fly-Amanita-Glycerite-Herbal-Supplement-2-oz/389654947
This seems like a waste of time and money to me. From what I've read, alcohol solubility of various kinds are a bit of a wash with muscimol save for methanol. Even then, best case scenario you have an overpriced tincture that contains both the muscimol and ibotenic acid so you'll want to decarboxylate the latter in an acidic solution anyway. In addition, there's no telling the quality of amanitas used in this. An ineffective extract of weak caps would do absolutely nothing one way or another.
On ibotenic acid, seemingly most people just eat the caps dried and end up with ibotenic acid sides. They end up ok, but I can't see why anyone would do that to themselves when eliminating it while simultaneously upping the potency is so piss easy. -
2017-11-14 at 12:38 AM UTC
