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why i was wrong about atheism
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2016-04-18 at 6:18 AM UTC
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2016-04-18 at 7:17 AM UTC"the lefties.. regardless of consequences, regardless of ethics"
Stopped watching here when it became clear this guy knows what exactly none of "ethics", "consequences", or even "left" means. -
2016-04-21 at 1:03 PM UTCLanny, it gets even better when you learn this guy has cult followers, wrote his own "bible" on "universally preferable behavior" and that Sophie eats it all up.
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2016-04-21 at 3:55 PM UTCOh shit, that guy is Molyneux! Haha, I had no idea, just thought he was some random vlogger. Jesus, and people wonder why no one takes the guy seriously.
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2016-04-21 at 4:05 PM UTCDidn't watch the video but atheism is for angry misanthropes who have some sort of psychological problem with objective morality. Naturalists are by extension the same tone of faggot. Let's be honest Christianity is literally the best framework humans have for realizing a perfect existence. Buddhism cuts it quite close as well but Christianity has one leg up on it in the social sector. Everywhere the gospel has gone conditions for women have greatly improved. This is an undeniable historical fact. Look to the myans with their virgin sacrifice. Look to the Nordics where women were barbarically property to owners (men). Look to those countries that do not allow the gospel or its teachings and you will see women unable to live a full life, forced to live a protected life in a monstrously painful gown. It (Christianity) is the finest framework for cohesion and growth that man has to offer because it does not restrict. The church may attempt unrightful imposition but living by god is easy and allows quite a bit of flexibility of lifestyle.
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2016-04-21 at 4:11 PM UTC
Oh shit, that guy is Molyneux! Haha, I had no idea, just thought he was some random vlogger. Jesus, and people wonder why no one takes the guy seriously.
On the contrary, the dude has his own cult following and I'm pretty sure at least one Space Nigga is among them. -
2016-04-21 at 4:50 PM UTCquaerere veritatem
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2016-04-21 at 6:50 PM UTC
Lanny, it gets even better when you learn this guy has cult followers, wrote his own "bible" on "universally preferable behavior" and that Sophie eats it all up.
that guy that blew off his finger with a pipe bomb xpoast is a very devout follower of stephan and constantly calls everyone a cuck.. go figure..
But at least poast is a lot less of a cuck than most people here like lanny the tranny -
2016-04-21 at 8:07 PM UTCDid poast abandon his family of origin? Is that why in his "trolling the underground" videos he's living in an area with a hundred homeless methheads right outside his front door?
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2016-04-21 at 8:23 PM UTCPointing fingers and laughing: "Hahah! That's Molyneux! Oooh he has a cult!" Is niether philosophical, nor an argument nor in any way discredits or disproves any rational argument the guy makes. All you're displaying here is emotional immaturity and your lack of familiarity with Molyneux's work and the anarchist, libertarian and moral philosophical schools of thought in general.
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2016-04-21 at 8:59 PM UTCHere is a father's story: *** *********** I am a father of one*fewer children than I had before.* My son was stolen from me by wolves in sheep’s clothing—wolves named Stefan Molyneux and Christina Papadopoulos.* Together these two and their destructive worldview* warped my son’s heart and stole everything he held dear, until he found himself isolated and hopeless.* My son killed himself as a result of their destructive influence on his life. *********** We’ll call my son Sam.* Sam was in his young adulthood, only three years into life on his own, with his own job, own car, an apartment with a buddy, and enjoying life.* His childhood was idyllic—safe environment, loving family, raised in Christian love yet given freedom to think for himself, and not abused in any way.* After graduation he joined the Army—a childhood dream of his—and was living in the south.* While away he maintained strong ties with family and many friends in several states.* He kept in contact with them regularly and even visited numerous times despite being half a continent away.* He even drove across the country for his mom’s birthday! *********** Within a two month period, that all changed.* He went from, “I’ll be praying for you†or “I can’t wait to see what God has in store for meâ€, to “I have no faith†and a total excommunication of Christian family and friends.* He even shunned and quit communicating with his three siblings, whom he loved dearly. *********** Many of us tried to find out what was going on in Sam’s life.* The one thing he mentioned was studying the teachings of Stefan Molyneux, Christina Papadopoulos and their blog minions at FreeDomainRadio.* While this organization has some appealing features and draws people in with their fresh and exciting podcasts and blogs on politics and philosophy, under the surface is a worldview that is destructive to those who become immersed.* Sam was swept up by it. *********** The worldview preached by the Molyneux cult is a combination of extreme libertarian politics, atheistic religion, and a warped psychology that believes parents are the root cause of all a person’s problems.* In their view, there is no such thing as a good parent.* They clearly counseled Sam to distance himself early from parents and Christians.* It initially started with a lack of the usual responsive communication, then to “de-friending†on Facebook, to “leave me alone,†and finally to a scathing “goodbye-forever†letter, all within the period of a few months.* The letter is too painful to quote from, filled with crazy jargon and phrases, evidence of brainwashing by the Molyneux wolves. *********** We saw that coming.* We did our research on the Molyneux cult and learned of other families that had been ripped apart by the infamous “DeFOOâ€â€”Departing the Family Of Origin.* That’s exactly what Sam did to us, and then some.* He completely burned his family and Christian friend bridges.* Not only didn’t it solve his problems but rather contributed to his self-destruction. *********** There is much written elsewhere about the religion of atheism versus following Jesus Christ or any other deity.* It might seem an oxymoron, but atheism is actually a religion too—that of the self being the only high authority in life, a sort of self-worship.* As one gets to know oneself more, however, he comes to the realization that focus on self is a short, dead-end trail that leaves one utterly disappointed.* I believe Sam reached the end of that trail, and in his mind he had no family and support structure to turn back to, even though we would have welcomed him home with open arms and a party of the grandest designs. *********** After finishing his service to the Army—less than six months after the DeFOO--Sam set off on his own to find a new career, new home, a new identity as a free man.* Only seven days into his journey he found himself sitting alone in the car he lived in, with no one to turn to who could see the root cause of his suffering and offer him help, and no hope in his heart for redemption by a loving and forgiving God.* Sam shot himself in the head and died instantly. *********** We all hurt for Sam, for ourselves, and for those who also miss him.* It was painful enough to lose him as a result of DeFOO, but we thought there would come a day when he would come back to us.* There was always hope of his return.* Now Sam has been ripped away forever, and the wound is deeper than before.* We will never on this earth have a chance to tell him again how much we love him, grow closer as he matures, or play with the children he never had.* * Chalk one up to Molyneux and Papadopoulos, The Destroyers.* May it never happen again.
I willingly admit I like a lot of what Molyneux has said but he also destroys families and wrote a ridiculous book that even Lanny isn't fooled by. If you have an actual argument for why you think this guy is so great I'd like to read it but if our past conversations on this topic are any indication I doubt that will happen. -
2016-04-21 at 9:43 PM UTC^yeah to be honest I'm surprised that even poast with as "conservative" as he claims to be buys into Molyneux's bs, sure he has some good points but he's kind of a hack/quack, very mainstream also at that. (wow that just rhymed)
. Stephan thinks that the Smelliot Rodgers "shooting" was real and not a liberal cuck hoax perpetrated by the media. It's especially quite the quandary considering his father is peter rodger...
Dare to take the red pill, fam? =)
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2016-04-22 at 1:13 AM UTC
I willingly admit I like a lot of what Molyneux has said but he also destroys families and wrote a ridiculous book that even Lanny isn't fooled by. If you have an actual argument for why you think this guy is so great I'd like to read it but if our past conversations on this topic are any indication I doubt that will happen.
1. That whole letter, is an appeal to emotion.
2. It's anectdotal.
3. Doesn't invalidate any of his logical conclusions or philosophical standpoints.
Furthermore, your condescending tone betrays your lack of sincerity in wanting to have a honest discussion about the subject not to mention your bias towards it. And if you think Lanny is stupid, i.e:
[greentext]>even Lanny isn't fooled by[/greentext]
It's obvious you don't recognize whether a person is intelligent or not which would imply your own lack of intelligence. -
2016-04-22 at 4:19 AM UTCNo actually I think Lanny is a smart person who hasn't been fooled by Stephan (unlike you). Lanny doesn't think Stephan is a person to be taken seriously. In other words he's a joke. But it's actually worse than that, he's a fraud, liar and cult leader.
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2016-04-22 at 4:31 AM UTC
Pointing fingers and laughing: "Hahah! That's Molyneux! Oooh he has a cult!" Is niether philosophical, nor an argument nor in any way discredits or disproves any rational argument the guy makes.
Sure, it's none of those things, but I don't think anyone was aiming to give a philosophical refutation of Molyneux from first principals, I was simply amused the guy I assumed to be some role reversed parody of the amazing atheist was actually the much lauded "moral philosopher" and needs to resort to vlogging to get people to pay attention to him.All you're displaying here is emotional immaturity and your lack of familiarity with Molyneux's work and the anarchist, libertarian and moral philosophical schools of thought in general.
It's true I haven't read most of UPB but then you haven't read much of Otis Ray but I hope you don't have a high opinion of TimeCube. I've yet to see so much as a coherent summary of the arguments in UPB nor any compelling reason to read it beyond a bunch of libertarians jerking off over it. You can even boil Kant's ethics down into a few pages, it's dumb to be like "you haven't read THING thus you have to totally suspend judgment of THING or accept THING until you do". Replace THING with Pythagoras, TimeCube, and Harry Potter and I come to realize I have the same level of reason to think the guy has a point as I do to believe irrationals aren't real (heu heu), whatever timecube advocates, and the philosophical pinings of Rowling.
If you want a defense of Bentham, (early) Hume, or Epicurus I could at least present a sketch of their arguments and discuss them without restoring to "read the source material and get back to me". Can you do the same? -
2016-04-22 at 1:32 PM UTChttp://www.fdrliberated.com/stefan-molyneux-promise-failure-upb-inside-story-part-1/
It was supposed to be his crowning achievement, THE definitive answer to “what is moral behavior?†The world’s first top-to-bottom system of philosophy, something philosophers have been unable to even attempt for the last 6,000 years. More important, it was suppose to establish Molyneux in the pantheon of thinkers he had studied in college. A position he might have established years earlier, if academia had not blindly rejected him. But all didn’t go according to plan. In fact, of all Molyneux enterprises, it might be said that UPB has had the least impact.
Today, with his followers typically unable to explain what UPB is , even Molyneux is not able to respond in writing to inquiries on the subject. Recently, when someone asked for clarification on his forum, he gave the curt reply, “I have never seen a UPB discussion work out well on a Board, the concepts are too slippery for this format, and everyone always just ends up frustrated. I invite the OP to call into the Sunday show, 4pm EST, to ask these questions directly…†So what happened? How did the book that was intended to be the most clarifying writing on ethics in thousands of years become the book Molyneux himself can no longer write about with any clarity? -
2016-04-22 at 3:04 PM UTC
[FONT=verdana][SIZE=14px]Hey there! Pull up a chair. Today’s Quickie! is a fun little story about boring old stuff like ethics and character. [/SIZE][/FONT] It starts, as usual, with the men we know as Stefan Molyneux.
Men? Yes, that’s correct. You see, for several years now, Stefan Molyneux has been living a double life. On one hand, there is the Stefan Molyneux that the True Believers of his forum see. That Stefan Molyneux is the one who believes nearly all parents are horribly bad and your only hope for a virtuous life is to leave them and never speak to them again. (Yeah, yeah, I know, but it’s true).
And then there is the other Stefan Molyneux. That’s the one everyone outside the Freedomain Radio “community†is supposed to see—the happy and witty libertarian gadabout who can make an argument against government so compelling, he can almost convert you to libertarianism on the spot.
And as long as he can find venues that know only the fun Molyneux (and not the Molyneux who may-or-may-not be a destructive cult leader), a splendid time is guaranteed for all.
Lately, one of those venues has been the Joe Rogan show. Rogan has many talents—comedian, actor, host, commentator, etc. But he was also one of the first in his field to see and capitalize on the potential of internet broadcasting. And, as such, he is host of the popular-and-becoming-more-so Joe Rogan Experience.
Rogan is the perfect interviewer for Molyneux. Molyneux is so facile-minded and rhetorically deft, most interviewers can only nod their heads in appreciation as he pontificates. Rogan, however, is no slouch in those departments and easily matches Molyneux step-for-step.
So, Molyneux no doubt hoped for another robust, freewheeling interview where he would hold forth with equal authority on things he knows a lot about and things he doesn’t.
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2016-04-22 at 4:37 PM UTC[h=4]
Molyneux told Rogan that he has mentioned the idea of defoo “only 3 or 4 times. It is not central.â€[/h] From Molyneux FDR Podcast #589, “Examining the Family…â€:
[INDENT] 19:29: And so defooing is a very core part of achieving freedom. It is the ultimate secession. It’s the ultimate emancipation. For bad parents, I mean everyone knows that, right*?
*Every so often during his podcasts, Molyneux will throw in a qualifier like this. However, as you’ll see in the quotes from his essays below, he considers nearly all parents to be “bad parentsâ€!
And if achieved and talked about—not immediately, it takes a long time—but if achieved and talked about, it is, I think, the most powerful way to begin to crack this biosphere, this diamond hard biosphere of the family.
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Same podcast, Molyneux talking about his ultimate solution for converting the world to anarchocapitalism. The “oldest dictatorship†he is talking about is the family:
[INDENT] 16:44 …and so, how do you do it? How do you do it. How do you break the habits of 100,000 years? How do you break the oldest dictatorship? And really, that’s why there’s been this defooing thing. And this is why—although the hardest thing other than defooing is talking to people about defooing—I think it’s something that, it’s important to do because people don’t even know that they can (laughs). They don’t even know it’s an option.
Excerpts from Molyneux essay “Why The World Is Sickâ€
And, it’s going to be a slow—at least one generation. But, people who have defooed or at least have heard about defooing, they can at least know that their authority as parents is not an absolute.
I think the parents of those who have defooed have kept it even more a guilty secret than those who have defood—it’s a very hard thing to talk about. It’s like saying, “hey, here’s my porn collection, let me spread it out over the dinner table while we’re dining out in this fine restaurant.†It feels sometimes like that to talk about defooing with people.
But the moment that we do talk about defooing with people—yes, of course, there’ll be lots of horrified looks and people simply won’t want to talk to us a lot of times—but, there is something out there, which is that it can happen. And if it can happen, that’s a crack in the family.
That’s the only crack in the biosphere I’ve been can think of. Maybe there are others I’ve never been able to consider but…This defooing is the only way that I know to get a crack in the biosphere, widen this horrible cyst-like abcess of history—the family—and get some air into the biodome, get some leverage, right? Wedge a couple of crowbars through the cracks and see what can’t be worked out from the inside.
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[INDENT] So – my wife is right, and I am right. The world is sick because of the family, and the family is sick because fantasies have taken the place of philosophy. To save the world, we need better parenting – and to save parents, we need true philosophy
Excerpts from Molyneux essay “Are People Just Stupid?â€
[/INDENT] [INDENT] Like all bad people, the only thing that parents have to offer their children is: relief from a pain that the parents themselves are inflicting. In other words, like priests, parents provoke guilt, and then offer relief from that guilt in return for slavish obedience.
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[INDENT] So face it: your parents were bullies, or weak curriers of favour, or manipulative emotional infants themselves.
[/INDENT] [INDENT] There are only a few possible responses to modern parents:- Contempt
- Indifference
- Boredom
- Hatred
- Empty conformity
[/INDENT] [INDENT] Does this sound too radical? Do you think it extreme for me to say that almost all parents are horribly bad? Perhaps it is. However, if you look at the state of the world – the general blindness and the slow death of our liberties – the challenge you take on by disagreeing with me is this: if it’s not the parents, what is it?
Either the world is not sick, or parents are. Because, as my wife says, it all starts with the family. If you want to perform the greatest service for political liberty, all you have to do is turf all of your unsatisfying relationships. Parents, siblings, spouse, it doesn’t matter. If you can do that, you can speak honestly about freedom.
If you can’t, well, then you have no right to complain about the government. You can’t ask people to give up their illusions about remote political tyrannies if you can’t escape your own domestic tyrants.
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[h=4]Molyneux denied recommending defoo to others, and denied ever comparing childhood to prisons![/h] From Molyneux FDR Podcast #211, (Childhood Prisons [yes, that’s right. He made an entire podcast about it]):
[INDENT] 28:50…Our childhoods—our collective childhoods were prisons. And I know I’m going to get even more emails about this…’Oh, I had a good relationship with my mom and dad.’ ‘Oh, they were fine.’ ‘They were this’ and ‘They were that’…
No. I’m sorry. I gotta tell you, and I hate to say it because I don’t mean to be a bully, but you’re wrong.
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2016-04-22 at 4:56 PM UTC[h=1]Advice for recovering Molyneuxvians | The Stefan Molyneux Cult of Personality | Greg Swann[/h]
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2016-04-22 at 4:58 PM UTC[h=1]Universally Preferable Behavior - Debunked:[/h]
