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I dont wanna have a kid cause what if it died or something...
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2015-12-17 at 5:52 PM UTCthat would be too sad for me cause im a pusie
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2015-12-18 at 1:17 AM UTCModern medicine is bretty gewd bro, i wouldn't worry.
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2015-12-18 at 1:51 AM UTChttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinatalism
http://childfreedom.blogspot.com/2009/03/top-100-reasons-not-to-have-kids-and.html
Having children is immoral and one of the most selfish things you can do. Read about the research on children and their effect on happiness, it's pretty depressing. We regularly fight against our natural impulses due to the (long-term) harm they can cause or for moral reasons, but with children and motherhood there's this immense cultural bias rooted in evolution (Is There Anything Good About Men goes into this), along with the taboo, all these cognitive biases, creating a greatly skewed and inaccurate perception. Unfortunately due to the traits women have they're much more susceptible to this negative impulse, much less likely to conduct a proper rational analysis, and really, most people just don't have very big dreams, goals in life, or much drive, they aren't particularly intelligent or knowledgeable, haven't achieved much personal development, development of their ideology, their views on life; they just aren't very interesting and so they choose the standard route and pour that boringness into children, creating life just to fulfill their own selfish desires, living for someone else, someone to make them feel needed, to nurture, give them something to live for, some shallow meaning and drive because they couldn't find anything higher than animalistic instinct, to live vicariously through, occupy their time. -
2015-12-18 at 1:52 AM UTChahaha
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2015-12-18 at 2:20 AM UTC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinatalism
http://childfreedom.blogspot.com/2009/03/top-100-reasons-not-to-have-kids-and.html
Having children is immoral and one of the most selfish things you can do. Read about the research on children and their effect on happiness, it's pretty depressing. We regularly fight against our natural impulses due to the (long-term) harm they can cause or for moral reasons, but with children and motherhood there's this immense cultural bias rooted in evolution (Is There Anything Good About Men goes into this), along with the taboo, all these cognitive biases, creating a greatly skewed and inaccurate perception. Unfortunately due to the traits women have they're much more susceptible to this negative impulse, much less likely to conduct a proper rational analysis, and really, most people just don't have very big dreams, goals in life, or much drive, they aren't particularly intelligent or knowledgeable, haven't achieved much personal development, development of their ideology, their views on life; they just aren't very interesting and so they choose the standard route and pour that boringness into children, creating life just to fulfill their own selfish desires, living for someone else, someone to make them feel needed, to nurture, give them something to live for, some shallow meaning and drive because they couldn't find anything higher than animalistic instinct, to live vicariously through, occupy their time.
I want to say something about this but typing multi paragtaph posts through a phone is such a drag. -
2015-12-18 at 2:36 PM UTCEvery child you have is going to die.
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2015-12-25 at 1:15 PM UTCI can't fucking stand people who have kids now. Almost all of them were accidents. Very few actually wanted kids. And here's the thing: THEY DON'T FUCKING LEARN! They keep accidentally getting pregnant even though they can't afford the kids they have! I'm starting to think we need a one child policy in the US now. What the hell are you going to do when shit hits the fan and you can't find food to feed your litter and you don't have all the antidepressants, ADD pills or babysitters you use because you can't handle actually being a parent? And people say I'm the selfish one for wanting a vasectomy at 20. It takes everything i have not to beat the shit out of people when they say this to me. If you actually PLAN to have kids, adopt one of the hundreds of thousands of orphans we already have in this country. Your genes are not better.
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2015-12-26 at 1:12 AM UTCHonestly, having children is one of the most selfish things you can do. It's done purely to satisfy their own selfish desires. You bring someone into the world who had no need to come into existence so you can have something to nurture, to feel needed, have company, someone waiting for you, to experience life vicariously through. Something that's going to consume immense resources, contribute to depleting resources and pollution, overpopulation (the world likely doesn't need your genes), and then many of them have the gall to believe they're entitled to forcing others to subsidize them, enacting "think of the children" policies limiting the freedom of others to give themselves a perceived sense of security. "I'm not selfish for wanting to force others to pay for my choice to have children and abide by policies centered around their benefit, you're selfish for not wanting to go along with my plan." The entitlement and victimhood generation, convince a generation they're actually owed things and watch them ravenously demand, and attack those who interfere.
And the process is incredibly egocentric. Other than satisfying the selfish desires I listed above, they feel they have to be children with their specific genes, when there are so many unwanted and needy children already? It's standard animalistic instinct; and of course if you try to have a rational discussion most will be incapable of it or they'll attempt to cast you as some sort of monster for not going along with their emotion driven poorly thought out romanticized notions of love, marriage, followed by a house and children. Just go with the feelings, don't think things out, as if we don't constantly hold back and go against our natural instincts, which would have destructive effects (overeating, violence, sex, laziness etc?). But in this case there's a strong evolutionary basis for why it's so universally sanctified among human cultures, free from criticism, romanticized. So no one is allowed to say anything, there's no room for impartial rational discussion, warranted criticism; if you do say anything, watch out, see what kind of reaction you get. There are so many children with developmental disabilities, disorders, who will go through a lifetime of suffering, be a net loss on the advancement of humanity, regardless of what their parents would like to believe; there's such a high chance that even if they do do everything right their children won't turn out the way they want them to be, it won't be anywhere near the idealized image they imagined. Jonathan Haidt had a talk about science denial along the basis of political ideology, and how leftists deny science as well due to having sanctified core bases of their ideology, equality being the key factor here, so the idea that innate differences, genetics, can play a significant role is made into taboo, treated gingerly at most, only allowed to be discussed to a very shallow extent, with enormous myths and misconceptions created. The concept of the "environmental" factor is widely misunderstood, it's the non-shared component that accounts almost entirely for this, and we don't have a clear idea of what this entails. That and much of what was previously categorized as being environmental as opposed to hereditary is often later shown to have simply been missed hereditary factors. Of course the social sciences are a complete mess, there's so much bias, publication and institutional bias, and it leads to graduates with some of the most blatantly unwarranted senses of their own intelligence and knowledge. Enlightened by 21/22 syndrome, once they reach the top of their parochial environment, bam, they have the world figured out, put them in charge, their friends, someone they like, whose views they identify with/share, and they could fix everything.
Back to the egocentricity of the process, think of how others react. The pregnancy announcement, the announcement, the constant reactions and attention, the fixation, throughout, the baby shower, then the birth, childhood. Just look at people's fucking facebook's, completely revolved around their kids as if there aren't literally millions in their age range, this hasn't occurred countless times throughout history. Oh yeah, you've totally retained your identity, they don't identify. Stay at home moms, their social groups, meetings, now revolving around their children and other parents. Just listen to what the mombies talk about. Oh yeah, you're totally staying up to date with events, continuing your self-development and knowledge, as if there was much depth and uniqueness to begin with. Absolutely brilliant, insightful, in-depth discourse. As if there aren't so many problems in the world, so much to focus on, and instead you needlessly bring into existence a life that didn't need to exist, something that could live a life of suffering, whose joy only satisfies a need that didn't need to exist, who will ultimately amount to nothing, be faced with the questions of life, the multitude and multifaceted, complex, problems of the world, of living beings, conscious existence, and human society, of the nature of consciousness, existence, the idea of the self, ultimately grappling with the horror of the finality of existence, which is generally dealt with through avoidance and logical fallacies. All that time and effort, all those resources, going to your own selfish need, when they could have been spent to help so many others. For the price of a first world child throughout their life, how many third world children could be saved? And it's not just children, you should be aware of how many charities focused on various aspects of the world there are, how many problems there are in the world. Are you aware of the concept of opportunity costs, you animalistic ditsy bimbo breeding fucks? And we're the selfish ones?
And for who will say, "If everyone thought life you we would be extinct." or talk about how they're raising the next generation of workers, investing (and forcing others to invest) in those who will keep economies going, that every genius, every person who made major contributions to the world, had to have been born and had a mother/parents, I say; do you honestly expect me to believe that this is what you had in mind, the greater good of the world, when you decided to have children? Explain to me why exactly the human race needs to continue to exist. But that question will seem so absurd, so beyond their capacity to grapple with, to properly analyze and give an intelligent well thought out coherent answer to, that you have almost no hope for this being anything other than fruitless.
Let me state this clearly:
[SIZE=48px]FUCK MOTHERS!!!
[SIZE=12px][SIZE=14px]*makes the gesture of the fig with both hands pointed toward the heavens* "To the mothers of the world, I give these solely to you! And fuck the poor male saps that are dragged into this, especially the ones that actively desire it, as well. But particularly the women.[/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE]
Vasectomize the hell out of yourself kolokol, eliminate any chance of this horror, this mistake, ever occurring, as soon as possible. Even if you ever do desire to have children and go through the biological process, there are sperm and egg donors so you can select from to ensure you have the highest quality genetics, the best chance at the genetic roulette, possible. Of course if you bring up, attempt to discuss this idea, with most people, emotion driven women in particular who have a poor innate grasp of rationality, poorly developed mental architecture, you'll be treated as I described above, some emotionless monster devoid or romance who's attempting to create some grotesque science experiment. Even for adoptions, oxytocin, intranasal shots during the introductory bonding period, or even better, which may be available in the future, oxytocin receptor agonists, superior drugs that trigger release or increased production. There's a good chapter in Future Imperfect, highly recommended, related to this and love. The nootropic/transhumanist/biohacking communities have excellent information on this.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1337725/Doctors-DIY-vasectomy.html
This is the perfect variation available, I'd highly recommend it if available. Hell, take a trip out of the area if it's not, it's worth it as a lifelong investment. Fairly painless, very fast, safe, relatively affordable even out of pocket compared to the lifelong benefit, the cost of a child or even total cost (including psychological, damage done to your life/well-being) or a pregnancy scare abortion, of never having to worry again. Take an anxiolytic beforehand, etizolam is cheap and readily available, maybe even an opiate, to make it even easier, the time will seem to go by so much faster.
I'm thinking about documenting the entire process, exactly what you have to do from start to beginning, what you go through, to make it easier for others.
During early highschool my highest dream was quite honestly the extermination of the human race, and I was serious about it. I didn't have childish ideas of a doomsday device, I won't go into specifics because it's a very ugly subject, but I recall reading someone stating something along the lines that we're fortunate Theodore Kaczynski, AKA The Unabomber, wasn't a bioengineer or some related theory, didn't have a background in the design/modification of bacterial/viral organisms. I changed my views because I enjoy the creations of humanity and would prefer such as world for my own selfish gain, and see a technological singularity, the creation of AI, as the ultimate goal, but still wouldn't be opposed to the concept of voluntary extinction: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_Human_Extinction_Movement
I've wondered in the past if this is the answer to the Fermi Paradox, that AIs find no reason to continue to exist, if they can be said to have had existed or had a concrete concept of the self to begin with, and essentially commit "suicide".The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2015-12-26 at 1:34 AM UTCTell me malice how has your christmas been so far.
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2015-12-26 at 4:21 AM UTCFrom TRT: You know you're alone when you don't just not celebrate the holidays because you have no one to do so with, but when they genuinely don't feel any different than any other day.
There genuinely is no difference from any other day. That's how alone I am. It's been like this for...a very long time. -
2015-12-27 at 12:43 PM UTC
From TRT: You know you're alone when you don't just not celebrate the holidays because you have no one to do so with, but when they genuinely don't feel any different than any other day.
This.
There genuinely is no difference from any other day. That's how alone I am. It's been like this for…a very long time.
The only reason I even knew it was almost Christmas was because my supervisor reminded me that we were getting Thursday and Friday off, and this was the 21st.
Its hard to put into words why I dislike holidays so much, especially Christmas. I think its because people are pressured into spending money that they don't have because society tells them that they have to, and then they pretend that there is some huge meaning behind it, and ostracize anyone who doesn't do the same when really they're only doing it because "tradition."
And they refuse to respect your wishes if you ask to be left out of it, and make you feel guilty for not getting anyone anything when you repeatedly asked them not to get you anything, but they did anyway.
But back on topic:
I love the "instinct argument" when it comes to having kids. Somehow there's a difference to people between the primal instinct to have children and the primal instinct to rape, murder, and pillage.
Honestly I don't even hate kids. I hate their parents. As you said, having your own kids is irresponsible and selfish at best. And people can't just leave it at "I like kids, you don't," to them there has to be this deeper reason why we don't want kids. We're either mad at our parents, sociopaths, or some other equally stupid bullshit. Even when its explained to them that severe mental illness, repeat drug addiction, and repeat stints in prison run in my family, they say, "that doesn't necessarily mean your kid will end up like that." Once they say this, you might as well walk away, because no matter what you say, they will just repeat it over and over again. Saying that you don't want to risk it means that, to them, you are thinking about your own feelings over all of the "potential joy that your kid could have on others in the world." They seem to forget all the people it could kill because it would be adept at the use of firearms by the age of 14, or all of the people it could spread infection to because it would not be vaccinated, or all the hell it will have to go through with the way this country is and the way it is going. Hell, the way I'd raise a child would probably get CPS called on me because the way I would parent is considered cruel by the pussies that we call parents today. The thing that scares me most in this world is that in ten to fifteen years, the people I went to school with will be running the country.
No doctor in SC will sterilize a 21 year old man, I've tried. Its considered "unethical" here, because I "might change my mind." Reproductive rights of adults, especially women, with no children are pretty nonexistent here. Even people who have a kid get a hard time with it, because "what if they want more later?" When I get my insurance back I will start trying again, and probably post about it here. I wonder if I can guilt trip a doctor into doing it by saying that some third world kid in an orphanage could have had a loving home if he would have sterilized me instead of worrying that I would want my own kids if I decide to have one later. Honestly I'm not sure if I can blame the doctors, apparently people have won lawsuits because they regretted having it done later, but is there not such thing as a liability waiver?
And to make everything worse, any woman my age that I meet wants kids, and if I find a woman my age that doesn't want kids, she takes considerable issue with my generally conservative views and love of firearms because they're all liberals and radfems. Women nowadays (and a lot of men are getting this way too) can't stand the idea of having kids that are not "from them."(Now who's selfish lol) For this and many other reasons, I've given up on trying to find love. If I meet someone, great, if not, great.
I've heard the "humans would cease to exist" angle a lot, and I love the reaction I get from people when I say that that's not a bad thing. As you said, that's so far from your average person's mind that they can't seem to even fathom that somebody might actually think that, and assume you are joking. Another good one: When they say "what if your parents thought that way? You wouldn't be here right now," say "I never asked to be born."
And your "fuck mothers" comment, do you mean that literally, figuratively, or both? -
2015-12-27 at 2:19 PM UTCIf that one died, you could just have another one. They're free to make, you know.
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2015-12-27 at 5:02 PM UTC
If that one died, you could just have another one. They're free to make, you know.
#truth -
2015-12-28 at 5:33 AM UTCKolokol, try telling them you have genetic disorders with a very high inheritance rate that would lead to any children you have having a very high chance of dying or terrible lifelong suffering and hardship; that if you did have kids you would adopt or use a sperm bank.
As for dating, try looking for libertarian women. Maybe go to meetups, students for liberty or meetings of the local libertarian party, if there is one, may be your best bet. There may even be a meetup group. Some of the best people you'll ever meet, with the best traits/characteristics. It's probably your best shot at finding someone compatible with you.
