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I think about killing myself a lot
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2016-02-17 at 7:21 AM UTCreading what this thread has devolved to makes me want to kill myself.
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2016-02-17 at 7:25 AM UTCDude, if you could die now you can just as easily commit to a bunch of loans towards a more advanced degree. If that doesn't work out it's not like the suicide option has gone anywhere.
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2016-02-17 at 7:28 AM UTCI get that you're not happy with how things turned out and that's just my point - this whole thread is basically proof that right now your happiness is contingent upon your fulfillment and success. You did well in your undergrad, now just bury yourself with more loans instead of dirt.
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2016-02-17 at 7:33 AM UTC
How fucking stupid is it that suicide hotlines are government funded? If someone's thinking about committing suicide and they can get talked out of it by some stranger telling them their life is OK without any information available, chances are they weren't serious in the first place. If they were successfully talked out of suicide, I don't think a few dollars is too much to ask for what they think their life was worth, and if they die, their estate gets a few dollars on the phone bill on top of all the other costs. There's no reason for a huge elaborate multifaceted bureaucratic department devoted to fucking losers who are too weak to live on this planet, just a soft voiced woman with a cell phone who says nice things to people who call and then charges then out of ass for the call. They should really just be 1-900 numbers and have paid advertisements late at night when advertising is cheap and people are likely more prone to thinking about suicide, I can't believe no ones ever thought of this before
My girl has done some research on our local crisis hotline for her program and they actually do a lot of good. Maybe you should volunteer, it's not time consuming. You'd make a difference and you'd feel a lot better about yourself for it. -
2016-02-17 at 8:17 AM UTC
You misread what I said and your response is very ironic. I did not say that people who attempt suicide are selfish or always seeking attention. What I'm talking about is a matter of empirical fact.
There is such a thing a a "suicidal gesture" as distinct from a "suicide attempt," and a major challenge to clinicians it to make sure they don't positively reinforce suicidal gestures with attention because they can and will evolve into suicide attempts. It's in the DSM.I don't really believe in crisis hotlines honestly. I have a family member who calls them, and I honestly feel (like a lot of mental health professionals) that all the doting and positive attention that goes with suicidal gestures sometimes serves to reinforce them to a point where people end up actually going through with it.
If part of your plan to kill yourself involves calling a crisis hotline, then you aren't 100% dedicated to it and probably won't do it.
I like your idea of making my suffering contribute to something. I'll find something.
The way you wrote it made it seem pretty fucking stupid, like you didn't understand the value of crisis hotlines. How is that first sentence not clear? People who are suicidal often feel, or are, completely alone and having someone to talk to about an issue as serious as suicide can make a world of difference, they can at least be convinced to seek help.How fucking stupid is it that suicide hotlines are government funded? If someone's thinking about committing suicide and they can get talked out of it by some stranger telling them their life is OK without any information available, chances are they weren't serious in the first place. If they were successfully talked out of suicide, I don't think a few dollars is too much to ask for what they think their life was worth, and if they die, their estate gets a few dollars on the phone bill on top of all the other costs. There's no reason for a huge elaborate multifaceted bureaucratic department devoted to fucking losers who are too weak to live on this planet, just a soft voiced woman with a cell phone who says nice things to people who call and then charges then out of ass for the call. They should really just be 1-900 numbers and have paid advertisements late at night when advertising is cheap and people are likely more prone to thinking about suicide, I can't believe no ones ever thought of this before
You're opinion is absolutely fucking retarded and if you honestly believe that and aren't trolling you deserve to die. -
2016-02-17 at 1:44 PM UTCThat feeel living forever on a space station
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2016-02-17 at 8:59 PM UTC
That feeel living forever on a space station
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2016-02-18 at 2:16 AM UTCI think about living on a space station a lot
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2016-02-18 at 3:16 AM UTC
I don't think a few dollars is too much to ask for what they think their life was worth, and if they die, their estate gets a few dollars on the phone bill on top of all the other costs. There's no reason for a huge elaborate multifaceted bureaucratic department devoted to fucking losers
Frankly what you just suggested sounds a lot more bureaucratic than just paying whatever miniscule portion of a federal budget it takes to run a hotline service. -
2016-02-18 at 4:22 AM UTC
The way you wrote it made it seem pretty fucking stupid, like you didn't understand the value of crisis hotlines. How is that first sentence not clear? People who are suicidal often feel, or are, completely alone and having someone to talk to about an issue as serious as suicide can make a world of difference, they can at least be convinced to seek help.
Seeing as there's absolutely no way to whatsoever meaningfully measure the "value" of crisis hotlines, it's kind of ironic that you're jumping down my throat about how apparently uneducated my opinion is on the matter.
I mean, think about it - there's no way to accurately know how many people were actually going to kill themselves but were stopped by crisis hotline operators. What can you do, collect survey data? Self report data? Count how many people got connected to other support and consider every one a victory? Even if you followed up on every person that got put in touch with resources from their calls, it wouldn't be accurate enough to see if it's actually helping anybody. In fact, the only data that you could accurately find on the topic are people who called a hotline but killed themselves anyway, which doesn't support your case.
Honestly, it seems like a band-aid solution. Instead of giving people access to the psycho-medical resources they need before they get to the point of literally calling strangers to get help at the front door of suicide, the government throws a significantly lower amount of cash at the problem as a last resort. Just looking at how many people don't have health insurance in the US, meaning they can't see a mental health professional or get access to one easily.
Arguing about how "pretty fucking stupid" and laughable these conjectures are shows that you have no experience working with this population.I get that you're not happy with how things turned out and that's just my point - this whole thread is basically proof that right now your happiness is contingent upon your fulfillment and success. You did well in your undergrad, now just bury yourself with more loans instead of dirt.
I know I complain about money and working a shit job a lot, but this doesn't really have anything to do with financial success. Being the wealthiest person in the world wouldn't change my outlook. It's more about a persistent adhedonia and recognition of my own pointlessness. I alternate between whether or not I'm happy being alive. The argument usually boils down to "there's no real reason to be here, but there's no real reason not to be here."
On a more general note, the mantra in the thread here is basically that suicide is always a bad idea, it's always an "escape," it's always posited as a "permanent solution to a temporary problem," but that's really just a cultural axiom. The milieu has been different throughout different cultures and has changed over time. In fact, the population most likely to kill themselves are actually the elderly, and assuming that all of them who do it are mentally ill is silly. One of the biomedical ethical principles we frequently see in the field is the idea that life should almost always (without question) be preserved long past the point where the person in question finds it meaningful, and that's honestly pretty unreasonable. I wouldn't look at someone who lived a full life into their 80s and killed themselves in their home instead of dying in a hospital bed did something bad.
Everyone should have an honest evaluation as to whether or not they should kill themselves. Consciousness isn't a gift per se, it's just is. Most of us privilege it, but recognizing it's a cultural assumption is just that. Most people probably don't have the tools to evaluate it accurately and there's no way I'd share anything in this post with most people considering suicide, but you should always preserve the right to kill yourself. -
2016-02-18 at 7:15 AM UTCSo no one caught the parallel between suicide hotlines and phone sex hotlines? What's everyone IQ and why do you insist on keeping your money and living at the same time while being so stupid?
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2016-02-18 at 7:24 AM UTC
So no one caught the parallel between suicide hotlines and phone sex hotlines? What's everyone IQ and why do you insist on keeping your money and living at the same time while being so stupid?
Okay. -
2016-02-18 at 7:24 AM UTC
So no one caught the parallel between suicide hotlines and phone sex hotlines? What's everyone IQ and why do you insist on keeping your money and living at the same time while being so stupid?
I will kill you, bitch.
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2016-02-18 at 7:25 AM UTC
I will kill you, bitch.
You're taking this whole thing about skinning UM with a spoon pretty seriously.
I told you guys this was going to happen if he gets objectively mad like this. -
2016-02-18 at 7:27 AM UTCStop stealing my words
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2016-02-18 at 7:31 AM UTC
Stop stealing my words
Stop hijacking my thread or I'll kill myself. -
2016-02-18 at 8:02 AM UTCI'm probably going to kill myself soon, mostly due to boredom. I'm back in school and working an IT job, have friends that I chill with regularly, generally good relationship with my family, and still my life experience is hollow. I really can't understand how anyone makes it 70+ years on this rock without blowing their brains out. I guess the fact that I'm incapable of forging a true personal connection with anyone doesn't help. I'm an island and even when surrounded by people, I'm truly alone.
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2016-02-18 at 8:07 AM UTC
I'm probably going to kill myself soon, mostly due to boredom. I'm back in school and working an IT job, have friends that I chill with regularly, generally good relationship with my family, and still my life experience is hollow. I really can't understand how anyone makes it 70+ years on this rock without blowing their brains out. I guess the fact that I'm incapable of forging a true personal connection with anyone doesn't help. I'm an island and even when surrounded by people, I'm truly alone.
Most people just drink to forge superficial relationships, then eventually move onto cocaine to forge next level superficial relationships where you talk about your deepest darkest secrets like you've known each other your whole life but do each others drugs/steal each others money. -
2016-02-18 at 8:08 AM UTC
I'm probably going to kill myself soon, mostly due to boredom. I'm back in school and working an IT job, have friends that I chill with regularly, generally good relationship with my family, and still my life experience is hollow. I really can't understand how anyone makes it 70+ years on this rock without blowing their brains out. I guess the fact that I'm incapable of forging a true personal connection with anyone doesn't help. I'm an island and even when surrounded by people, I'm truly alone.
You say that a lot if I remember correctly.
It sounds to me like you don't have a lot of healthy, meaningful pursuits. If you had something positive to focus your energy on it would probably help. -
2016-02-18 at 1:29 PM UTCI think about smoking and cooking meth literally every day
