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2017-08-23 at 5:59 PM UTC
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2017-08-23 at 8:56 PM UTCI think you missed the point of my post sploo
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2017-08-23 at 8:58 PM UTC"if east asia is more solitary than the US does that mean we're all gonna die"
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2017-08-23 at 9:01 PM UTCyeah, you're clearly having trouble here
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2017-08-23 at 9:01 PM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny What do you think about the tension between individualism and collectivism? If you had to generally categorize east asian societies on this spectrum relative western societies, where would you place them?
That's an interesting question. Considering Western societies are leaning more and more towards collectivism these days. In any case, nationalism is just smaller collectivism. I'd say on average East Asians lean more towards collectivism but that's only because there's a billion people in China. South Korea and Japan seem to lean more towards individualism, especially South Korea. But meh, also what tension? -
2017-08-23 at 9:25 PM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie But meh, also what tension?
It seems like there's a natural tension between the two positions. It seems like no society can be both individualistic and collectivist. If we look at it like a spectrum the question is where on it you think the ideal society would sit. AnCap utopia seems pretty individualistic to my mind, and if you subscribe to this as your ideal it seems a bit odd that you would include (what I consider to be) the highly collectivised peoples of east asia in your set of "good" races.I'd say on average East Asians lean more towards collectivism but that's only because there's a billion people in China. South Korea and Japan seem to lean more towards individualism, especially South Korea.
I can't really speak to Korea but I'd argue Japan is a highly collectivist society. While large sectors or their economy do seem to be highly capitalistic, competitive, and focused on merit based advancement I think if we look at their social view of themselves we see a different story. Certainly it's a culture highly preoccupied with politeness, rank, maintenance of social structure. There's a lot of cultural narrative that deals with "contribution to society", gratitude towards society as a whole (which touches on the politeness thing again), which is a large part of why being a shut-in is an object of public fascination and concern as opposed to more blase reaction you see in the west, or at least in the US. And on the state level, there are lots of cases where the government will seize control of something, be it a corporation (like the NHK), or a material market (as with the strict firearm and drug policy) as soon as it comes to be seen as a public risk. -
2017-08-23 at 9:26 PM UTC
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2017-08-23 at 9:35 PM UTCSure did. Good one.
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2017-08-23 at 10 PM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny What do you think about the tension between individualism and collectivism? If you had to generally categorize east asian societies on this spectrum relative western societies, where would you place them?
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european nations > e.u
nato
workers union
nra
sunday mass
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2017-08-23 at 10:05 PM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny It seems like there's a natural tension between the two positions. It seems like no society can be both individualistic and collectivist. If we look at it like a spectrum the question is where on it you think the ideal society would sit. AnCap utopia seems pretty individualistic to my mind, and if you subscribe to this as your ideal it seems a bit odd that you would include (what I consider to be) the highly collectivised peoples of east asia in your set of "good" races.
Psst! I'm not actually a racist! Don't tell anyone. AnCap utopia would be highly individualistic. Also, i am not really sure what the government of a place says about it's people. I bet in Soviet Russia, under Stalin there were some hardcore freedom loving folks as well. But you know, they all got shipped off to the gulag. I don't think governments are representative of their people.
Originally posted by Lanny I can't really speak to Korea but I'd argue Japan is a highly collectivist society. While large sectors or their economy do seem to be highly capitalistic, competitive, and focused on merit based advancement I think if we look at their social view of themselves we see a different story. Certainly it's a culture highly preoccupied with politeness, rank, maintenance of social structure. There's a lot of cultural narrative that deals with "contribution to society", gratitude towards society as a whole (which touches on the politeness thing again), which is a large part of why being a shut-in is an object of public fascination and concern as opposed to more blase reaction you see in the west, or at least in the US. And on the state level, there are lots of cases where the government will seize control of something, be it a corporation (like the NHK), or a material market (as with the strict firearm and drug policy) as soon as it comes to be seen as a public risk.
It's true that the government likes to seize stuff in Japan. But that's just what governments like to do in general. Like i said i don't think governments are representative of their people. Like you mentioned the culture is preoccupied with rank and politeness and all things proper, so the game is conformity. It would seem to me conforming to social norms in japan is more important than individual liberty. However i'd say they are more individualism oriented than china for sure. -
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