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Vitalik Buterin, world's smartest cryptographer, calls out Elon Musk on free speech and ‘banhammer’ threat

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    the man who put it in my hood Black Hole [miraculously counterclaim my golf]
    Ethereum co-founder Vitalik Buterin called out Elon Musk for the "tone of discourse" on X, and cautioned against censoring users with the “banhammer.”
    https://cointelegraph.com/news/vitalik-buterin-calls-out-elon-musk-free-speech-banhammer
    I admire your willingness to stand up and fight for freer movement of people, it's an important freedom that all too easily gets thrown under the bus.

    That said I think it's valuable to turn down the temperature here, on both tone of discourse and the social media banhammer.

    Respecting free speech is easy when we agree with the speech, and hard when we think it's awful. But the arguments for respecting free speech anyway are the same as ever: the banhammer is controlled by one group today, it will be controlled by another group tomorrow, and every use of it legitimizes further use, and by the end public discourse collapses into either balkanization, monoculture (where the winner will be the guy with the biggest hammer, not the guy with the best arguments) or constant war of all against all.

    And it's worth reflecting on just how much tone of discourse has fallen here over the past couple of years. I feel like a lot of people have been okay with rising aggressiveness because the target of the aggressiveness was one faction that they disliked, but once that beast is summoned, its nature is to look for new targets, and even if you approve of the first target you may not approve of the second or the third or the fourth - as many people have been finding out this week. Literally "first they came for the communists, and I did not speak out because I was not a communist". This isn't the kind of memetic beast we want running the show when we're entering an era of dangerous global political competition and rapidly improving AI.

    The role of leaders in setting the tone is really important, and can be used to great good or great evil. It's not "wartime mode" that will get humanity to Mars in one piece, it's something brighter - and we should get into that mode today.
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  2. #2
    Cowboy2013 African Astronaut
    Gotta be smart to hate Elon Musk.

    In related news one of his shitboxes caught on fire outside of one of the cheeto chomo's hotels.

    https://www.rt.com/news/610306-tesla-cybertruck-fire-trump-hotel/
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    Speedy Parker Black Hole
    Cuz Twitter never censored half the country before Musk bought it.
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    the man who put it in my hood Black Hole [miraculously counterclaim my golf]
    previously on adventures with Vitalik

    https://niggasin.space/thread/92226
  5. #5
    Speedy Parker Black Hole
    Never trust anyone who's mother called them Vitalik.
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    Originally posted by the man who put it in my hood Ethereum co-founder Vitalik Buterin called out Elon Musk for the "tone of discourse" on X, and cautioned against censoring users with the “banhammer.”

    Who cares what some rando thinks?
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    the man who put it in my hood Black Hole [miraculously counterclaim my golf]
    the most cited cryptographer in the world



    he just like sam high frfr

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    Instigator Naturally Camouflaged [the staring tame crusher]
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    the man who put it in my hood Black Hole [miraculously counterclaim my golf]
    hey glad youre unbanned
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    Originally posted by the man who put it in my hood the most cited cryptographer in the world

    Relevance??
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    Instigator Naturally Camouflaged [the staring tame crusher]
    Originally posted by the man who put it in my hood hey glad youre unbanned

    Thanks
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    "I admire your willingness to stand up and fight for freer movement of people, it's an important freedom that all too easily gets thrown under the bus.

    That said I think it's valuable to turn down the temperature here, on both tone of discourse and the social media banhammer.

    Respecting free speech is easy when we agree with the speech, and hard when we think it's awful. But the arguments for respecting free speech anyway are the same as ever: the banhammer is controlled by one group today, it will be controlled by another group tomorrow, and every use of it legitimizes further use, and by the end public discourse collapses into either balkanization, monoculture (where the winner will be the guy with the biggest hammer, not the guy with the best arguments) or constant war of all against all.

    And it's worth reflecting on just how much tone of discourse has fallen here over the past couple of years. I feel like a lot of people have been okay with rising aggressiveness because the target of the aggressiveness was one faction that they disliked, but once that beast is summoned, its nature is to look for new targets, and even if you approve of the first target you may not approve of the second or the third or the fourth - as many people have been finding out this week. Literally "first they came for the communists, and I did not speak out because I was not a communist". This isn't the kind of memetic beast we want running the show when we're entering an era of dangerous global political competition and rapidly improving AI.

    The role of leaders in setting the tone is really important, and can be used to great good or great evil. It's not "wartime mode" that will get humanity to Mars in one piece, it's something brighter - and we should get into that mode today."


    That's a whole lot of text without actually saying anything useful.
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    the man who put it in my hood Black Hole [miraculously counterclaim my golf]
    Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Relevance??

    Scientists that are well respected in their research are people I trust more than politicians... or fucking Elon who has never written an scholarly article in his life but acts like Mr. Big Science Man



    Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson That's a whole lot of text without actually saying anything useful.

    Bro is yapping frfr but he's still got a point
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    Originally posted by the man who put it in my hood Scientists that are well respected in their research are people I trust more than politicians… or fucking Elon who has never written an scholarly article in his life but acts like Mr. Big Science Man





    Bro is yapping frfr but he's still got a point

    Um all he did was spout shit we already know...there was nothing that required he being "the most cited cryptographer in the world", just another troll
  15. #15
    the man who put it in my hood Black Hole [miraculously counterclaim my golf]
    yeah and nobody watched Sam Hydes video either *rolls eyes*
  16. #16
    Originally posted by the man who put it in my hood yeah and nobody watched Sam Hydes video either *rolls eyes*

    Another non sequitur post please...
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