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The Inefficiencies Of The Hourly Wage System

  1. #1
    Kingoftoes Tuskegee Airman
    The hourly wage system, in creating a linearly causal relationship between hours worked and money earned, has created an inefficient wage system. It has done this through a few effects which I will explain below:

    1: As previously said, the hourly wage system abolishes the previously established system of pay for workers. This system, for our intents and purposes here, was similar to that of a modern contractor's pay. The linearly causal relationship between hours worked and money earned was originally a sort of non-linear causal relationship between effort exerted and money earned. To put it shortly, your wage was tied to your skill as a laborer, not to your ability to live at the workplace. Furthermore, this system fundamentally encourages lower productivity among workers (I can do the bare minimum and still make X/Hour).

    2: Specialized workers that work much quicker than others are secretly penalized. A union plumber may be able to work 2 times as fast as his partner, but they still make the same money. This obviously disincentivizes the better plumber from working 2x as hard. Again, this is because of the disconnect between your skill as a worker and your wage. This is the fundamental inefficiency of the neoliberal hourly wage system.

    3: In an hourly wage system, innovation is stifled as well. Innovation simply has no bearing on your wage, unless you are able to sell a patent. If I create a solution to a problem that makes me 2 times more efficient than other workers, it simply does not matter, as I am paid the same as those who do not innovate.

    4: Not all walks of work are created equally. In a company with 10 workers, if there are 2 workers that are 2 times more efficient than the other 8 workers, the work is still dispersed equally among all employees. There is no logical rationalization for this practice, it does not even create overhead so much as it creates deadweight loss. The 8 inefficient employees will flounder about and stress themselves over the fact that they have not completed their paralyzingly large workload by 5 PM, while the efficient 2 employees will complete their tasks before lunchtime and be left at the workplace twiddling their thumbs and playing solitaire.

    Simultaneously, there are instances where long hours of work produce little value, and where short burst of work create immense value. Working in fast food, you may work 40 hours a week at McDonald's, but after the expenses have been deducted from company revenue, you have only created a small amount of value, in the US perhaps less than even 1000 $. On the contrary, a fiber optic cable repairmen may reduce 100 million dollar inefficiencies by fixing an undersea fiber optic cable in just a day.

    Furthermore, workers do not exert effort equally throughout the work day. A worker may be highly efficient until noon, and then become less efficient by the hour until they leave the workplace. Some workers may also be consistently efficient throughout Monday, but utterly incompetent on Tuesday. This verifiable fact serves to exacerbate the inefficiencies of the hourly wage system only further.
  2. #2
    POLECAT POLECAT is a motherfucking ferret [my presentably immunised ammonification]
    you have a choice be a slave to the hourly wage or be a owner of your own business or private employment ,
    you being young gives you an advantage we didn't have as young humans,, you are in a booming time for trades you could be making 50 an hr this year on ur own and in 3 years you could be making 300 to 500 an hr bidding jobs you learn to do in the trades
  3. #3
    the man who put it in my hood Black Hole [miraculously counterclaim my golf]
    As an Amazon worker that always makes rate and gets bonuses for my performance I disagree. Seems pretty efficient to me
  4. #4
    Kingoftoes Tuskegee Airman
    Originally posted by the man who put it in my hood As an Amazon worker that always makes rate and gets bonuses for my performance I disagree. Seems pretty efficient to me

    Efficient only superficially so, and only to the employee in that the hourly wage system does provide unprecedented wage security and stability, but at the cost of the effects I listed above.

    The employee is nevertheless shackled to their hourly wage and is not able to exponentially increase his pay by simply working more efficiently, instead the employee has to work longer hours, as the former option is being methodically stripped from our corporatized society.

    Bonuses are, in the modern economy, a sort of afterthought for most who are not being paid via commission or per-project. The only reason they exist is to put a band-aid on the cut that has been left by inefficient markets. The same goes for benefit plans, which would not exist to their current extent and prolificity if wages where higher in the first place.
  5. #5
    POLECAT POLECAT is a motherfucking ferret [my presentably immunised ammonification]
    no employer ever has hesitated to replace an employee , no self employed person has ever fired themselves for having a bad day or refusing a job or fucking up.
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  6. #6
    the man who put it in my hood Black Hole [miraculously counterclaim my golf]
    I mean a lot of people are also paid annually or based off commission or sales or like polecat says are paying themselves.

    Or making a set amount per day like $100 but it might not be a fixed amount of hours but the rate is fixed. This is more common in construction type industry.

    I don't actually disagree but I think if I meditated on this arguments I would eventually. Maybe Ive just been brainwashed by the machine to not see a problem
  7. #7
    Speedy Parker Black Hole
    Contract, piece work, or commission.
  8. #8
    Hourly wages, and stable, fixed employment in general, is society prioritising stability over incentivised marginal productivity gains.
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  9. #9
    Charles Ex Machina Naturally Camouflaged
    some prefer to be paid like a prostitute
  10. #10
    Speedy Parker Black Hole
    Originally posted by Charles Ex Machina some prefer to be paid like a prostitute

    That is piece work
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  11. #11
    the man who put it in my hood Black Hole [miraculously counterclaim my golf]
    How can voluntary economic actions ever be wrong? This assumes the invisible hand fucked up somewhere

    I'm more willing to believe its always perfect and if anyone messed up it's us and our understanding of the dynamics

    And if you try to chain the hand it comes back and slaps you harder 👊
  12. #12
    Kingoftoes Tuskegee Airman
    Originally posted by the man who put it in my hood How can voluntary economic actions ever be wrong?

    Economic activity can still be inefficient even if all parties involved in any given transaction mutually benefit from said transaction.

    Originally posted by the man who put it in my hood I'm more willing to believe its always perfect and if anyone messed up it's us and our understanding of the dynamics

    Welcome to the Neoliberal blindfold. Also, yeah, a lot of portions of economic theory are still up in the air, even for basic things like market equilibrium that you are taught in high school.


    Originally posted by the man who put it in my hood And if you try to chain the hand it comes back and slaps you harder 👊

    That was sort of my original point, yeah.
  13. #13
    the man who put it in my hood Black Hole [miraculously counterclaim my golf]
    Maybe it's perfectly efficient and people are just meant to be losers to what seems like sheer chance but in the eyes of the market is just another cog in the machine

    The smaller cogs need to be grounded up and worn down to turn a bigger cog and since they can be replaced cheaply and often it's not worth worrying too much about them in the grand scheme

    I once had an idea that you would be instantly deposited crypto directly into a wallet for hourly work instead of being held through banks and taxed.

    I still think that would be better but it doesn't really go against the idea of hourly wages, but maybe it could if I was more radical.

    I just hate staying up until 3am on Friday for more cocaine money every payday because banks are slow
  14. #14
    Kingoftoes Tuskegee Airman
    Originally posted by the man who put it in my hood Maybe it's perfectly efficient and people are just meant to be losers to what seems like sheer chance but in the eyes of the market is just another cog in the machine

    Perfect Market efficiency is conceivably impossible in economics, you have to entirely discount things like the mere existence of the state, lack of perfect information, etc.

    Originally posted by the man who put it in my hood The smaller cogs need to be grounded up and worn down to turn a bigger cog and since they can be replaced cheaply and often it's not worth worrying too much about them in the grand scheme

    Yes that's most people, and that is generally the broader structure of economics in the modern world. Most people are cogs in the machine of the world.
  15. #15
    Charles Ex Machina Naturally Camouflaged
    Originally posted by Speedy Parker That is piece work

    sex work is piece work.

    ok, got it.
  16. #16
    Get on salary nigger.
  17. #17
    the man who put it in my hood Black Hole [miraculously counterclaim my golf]
    Originally posted by Kingoftoes Perfect Market efficiency is conceivably impossible in economics,

    SOURCE????
  18. #18
    Speedy Parker Black Hole
    Originally posted by the man who put it in my hood SOURCE????

    Your mom's ass
  19. #19
    Rough Rider African Astronaut
    We don't pay you minimum wage for your maximum mental performance.
  20. #20
    Min wage is for teens, if you're passed the age of 20 and on min wage, that's your dumb fault.
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