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Authentic ayahuasca/peyote retreat experiment
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2024-10-15 at 2:38 AM UTCI'd like to know if anyone here has suggestions for a hallucinogen retreat, preferably somewhere in the western United States, like Arizona, California or Oregon. I'd like to try peyote and ayahuasca, as well as any other ethic hallucinogen. I want to get with a group of experienced users somwehere in a secluded outdoor location. Thanks.
Edit: jf anyone knows the best ways to acquire peyote or ayahuasca, I'd also be interested in doing it alone, since the retreats I've seen are averaging around $500. -
2024-10-15 at 2:41 AM UTCWhy wouldn't you just post this on main why make an alt for this?
Just get you a trip sitter and do it at home. You don't need to larp as an Indian. -
2024-10-15 at 2:45 AM UTC
Originally posted by Gridlocke Why wouldn't you just post this on main why make an alt for this?
Just get you a trip sitter and do it at home. You don't need to larp as an Indian.
Haha, sorry but I'm not a prior member here. I was on &totse in the early 2000s and only recently found this place. I also don't even know where or how to get peyote or ayahuasca. I know the retreats are mostly LARPers but I thought it'd be fun anyway. I'll try to find a trip sitter but it's nearly impossible to locate such people nowadays. -
2024-10-15 at 2:53 AM UTCWhat was your totse username
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2024-10-15 at 2:59 AM UTC
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2024-10-15 at 3:58 AM UTCbuy them off tor marketplaces if you can't find a native that sells them
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2024-10-15 at 5:02 AM UTCSorry officer, I don't think any of these retards will be able to help you source illegal narcotics. And the ones who could wouldn't even if you weren't a federal agent because you're a NERD!
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2024-10-15 at 5:37 AM UTCI can get you some.
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2024-10-21 at 7:21 AM UTCyou would be better off extracting N,N DMT yourself and hitting it out of a meth pipe. i smoked the bufo toad venom (5-meo-dmt) in mexico and i will say that i 100% believed in god's existence after that trip, i was certain because i just saw it. definitely an interesting experience, the belief in god wore off after a couple weeks
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2024-10-21 at 4:27 PM UTCPeyote is legal in North America
https://files.catbox.moe/bkzvbq.pdf
Originally posted by The Self Taught Man https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/herbsmxf/oilahuasca-the-new-psychedelic-frontier-this-threa-t3906219.html#.VFuyTqPLeTA
OILAHUASCA
Oilahuasca is a mix of psychedelic allylbenzene oils and enzyme inhibitors used to create a psychedelic experience. The allylbenzene oils themselves are often inactive, but when mixed with the proper enzyme inhibitors a psychedelic experience is possible. The word oilahuasca draws from the word ayahuasca which defines a mix of herbs in which DMT is made orally psychedelic by using enzyme inhibitors in much the same way as oilahuasca. The word oilahuasca was originally coined by 69Ron.
THE PSYCHEDELIC ALLYLBENZENES
The main key ingredients in oilahuasca are the psychedelic allylbenzenes myristicin, elemicin, safrole, and methyl chavicol. Others are possibly active but have not been tested. The corresponding propenylbenzenes like anethole, isoelemicin, etc., are probably not active, or very weak. Tests done using anethole did not find it active at doses which are active for methyl chavicol, it’s allylbenzene form. Myristicin is mostly known as the main active in nutmeg oil, however it occurs in much greater quantities in Hungarian parsley seed oil. Myristicin produces a psychedelic effect that’s like a mix of MDMA and mescaline when properly activated. It’s quite speedy however. Myisticin is primarily inactivated by P450 enzymes CYP1A2 and CYP3A4. The P450 enzyme CYP2D6 might be critical to getting good effects from myristicin. Elemicin is found in elemi oil, and nutmeg. This is more difficult to get working than myristicin. When activated properly, it produces effects like those of mescaline. When not activated properly it produces mild sedative effects like those of melatonin, which is not at all psychedelic. Elemicin is mostly inactivated by conversion to 1-hydroxy-elemicin. It’s unknown exactly which P450 enzymes do this, but it’s highly likely that CYP1A1, CYP1B1, CYP1A2, CYP2A6, CYP2C9, and CYP2E1 can all cause 1-hydroxy-elemicin to form. CYP2D6 might be needed for psychedelic activity. Safrole is found mainly in sassafras oil but is also found in nutmeg in much smaller amounts, but enough to affect the nutmeg trip. When activated, this produces effects similar to MDMA. It’s not very visual; it’s more of an empathogen than a psychedelic. When not properly activated it produces a mild sedative effect that’s not psychedelic. The P450 enzymes CYP2A6, CYP2C9, and CYP2E1 primarily inactivate safrole by conversion to 1-hydroxy-safrole. CYP2D6 might be needed for psychedelic/empathogenic activity. Methyl chavicol is found in sweet basil oil. When properly activated this produces an electric LSD-like psychedelic effect. It’s a great mood enhancer, aphrodisiac, and also produces some visual effects. When not properly activated this produces a sedative effect that’s almost like marijuana, but not at all psychedelic. The P450 enzymes CYP1A2 and CYP2A6 cause the inactive 1-hydroxy-methyl chavicol to form. It’s possible that CYP2D6 is needed for psychedelic activity. While some of the oils are known to be inactivated by certain P450 enzymes, primarily by 1-hydroxylation, in many cases if the primarily P450 enzymes are inhibited, other P450 enzymes will take their place. This means that more than just the primary P450 enzymes should be inhibited. Methyl chavicol and myristicin seem to be much easier to activate than elemicin or safrole. Often myristicin is active on it’s own. Of the main oils, nutmeg oil is usually the most active on its own without taking other oilahuasca enzyme inhibitors. The reason for this is not entirely known however nutmeg oil does sometimes contain substantial amounts of its own P450 inhibitors. Also myristicin itself is often active without inhibitors. Basil oil is the least active on it’s own, often producing no psychedelic effects at all, but is also the easiest to activate. Sassafras oil sometimes works on it’s own in some people, but this is rare. Elemi oil sometimes works on it’s own.
OILAHUASCA P450 ENZYME INHIBITORS
The psychedelic allylbenzene essential oils safrole, elemicin, methyl chavicol, and myristicin are all attacked by P450 enzymes, in many cases this renders these oils completely inactive. This is why some people cannot trip from nutmeg oil, elemi oil, basil oil, or sassafras oil. Of these three the most active taken on its own is usually nutmeg oil because it contains its own oilahuasca inhibitors in substantial amounts, while elemi oil, basil oil, and sassafras oil do not. After extensive testing by AFOAF, he’s come up with an oil mix that does a great job as an oilahuasca pre-dose inhibitor for safrole, elemicin, methyl chavicol, and myristicin, which will also probably work for the majority of the other potentially psychedelic allybenzene oils. He uses 1-3 drops of clove leaf essential oil, 3-6 drops of German chamomile essential oil, and 5-10 drops of cinnamon bark essential oil. This is taken 30-60 minutes before taking the psychedelic oils, and for good measure once again along with the psychedelic oils. It’s best to take these pre-dose oilahuasca inhibitors in a capsule. In some sensitive individuals cinnamon can irritate the mouth. For AFOAF, cinnamon doesn’t irritate his mouth, but even so, he takes these inhibitors in a capsule on an empty stomach, followed directly by a little food to help digest them. Cinnamon bark oil takes care of CYP2A6 and CYP2E1 nicely, I don’t know if it can knock out CYP2C9. That’s where clove leaf comes in because it knocks out CYP2C9 very well along with CYP3A4, CYP1A1, and CYP1B1. Also German chamomile oil knocks out CYP1A2. By having CYP1A1, CYP1A2, CYP1B1, CYP2A6, CYP2C9, CYP2E1, and CYP3A4 inhibited while leaving CYP2D6 alone, you help ensure that these psychedelic oils are not inactivated orally. The dosage needed for these inhibitors for each person is going to vary. Some people might need 2-3 times as much. It’s best to start on the low dosage end for these inhibitors and then up the dose a few drops at a time for each test until one finds their own specific dosage that works. Failure to take enough inhibitors may cause the psychedelic oils to fail to elicit psychedelic effects.
OILAHUASCA ACTIVATION
Once the proper P450 ezymes are inhibited, it is still possible that the psychedelic oils will not work in some people. There are at least two steps to the oilahuasca process. The first step is inhibiting the P450 enzymes that inactivate these oils. Getting these oils past the P450 enzymes is just half the problem. The next step is activation of these psychedelic oils by a currently unknown process within the human body. For some reason allylbenzenes can be activated, while propenylbenzenes do not seem to get activated, or require huge doses to become active. Why allylbenzenes work and propenylbenzenes dot not seem to work is a mystery. It’s been theorized that the allybenzenes can form amphetamines within the human body if they pass through the P450 enzymes unaltered. This has been found to occur in a few animal tests, but has been found not to occur in most animal tests. The other theory is that phenethylamines form. To this day however it’s unknown what activates these oils in humans. Fortunately it is fairly well known what makes them inactive however, and that’s certain P450 enzymes. To help activate these oils once they get past the P450 enzymes, a few tricks have been posted on various forums. One method some use is excessive exercise. Another rarely reported method is to take these oils with amphetamine. Yet another reported method is to take the oils with phenethylamine. Another is to take them with phenylalanine. These are not well tested and may not work for all people. How they work is not known. For AFOAF, these are not required. His body is able to activate these oils 100% of the time just as long as the proper oilahuasca P450 enzyme inhibitors are used prior to taking the psychedelic oils. It’s possible that phenethylamine and phenylalanine taken orally with the oils are broken down and metabolites of these are used by the body to synthesize phenethylamines from these psychedelic oils once they get past the P450 enzymes. This is debated however. Another possibility is that these tricks serve to increase metabolism, which in turn increases oxygen levels, and this might play a role in their activation. Again, this is unknown. If the second piece of this puzzle can be solved, it may be possible for these oils to work in all people. They currently do not work in all people, even with the proper P450 enzymes inhibited.
ENHANCERS
Coffee seems to always enhance and help activate these oils if taken 30-60 beforehand. How this works is unknown. Cayenne pepper, at 800 mg in a capsule, boosts the effects of these oils if taken AFTER the oils are taken. How this works is unknown. -
2024-10-21 at 6:09 PM UTC
Originally posted by They Are Not Alone Haha, sorry but I'm not a prior member here. I was on &totse in the early 2000s and only recently found this place. I also don't even know where or how to get peyote or ayahuasca. I know the retreats are mostly LARPers but I thought it'd be fun anyway. I'll try to find a trip sitter but it's nearly impossible to locate such people nowadays.
Just have your car keys, and a gun for protection.
I remember some guy that I ordered the shit to make DMT with...i think mimosa tree bark sending something with it saying he sold the shit to make ayahuasca. I forget what it is but I knew then. He lived in Hawaii I think.
