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A Short Analysis Of Social Cohesion In The USA
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2024-10-19 at 5:48 AM UTC"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." - Preamble to the USA Constitution
I'll get to the point. Societies across the globe are held together by a certain "glue" in order to keep subsects of said societies from breaking from the state and forming their own states. This "glue" is oftentimes predicated on ethnicity, religion, language, or culture. Some shining examples are France, China, and Italy.
The citizens of these states, are, by and large, of a single ethnicity or belong to a single ethnic group. In France, you are likely French, perhaps Occitanian. In Italy, you are "Italian" which may mean you are Milanian, Sicilian, Neapolitan, etc. But you still belong to the Italian ethnic group. You also speak Italian, write in Italian, eat Italian food, etc. Same for Chinese people, who are part of a vast nation that spans from Tibet and Xinjiang, to Beijing, from Manchuria to Guangdong.
However, the national identity of USA citizens is not predicated on any part of an individuals identity that is, by and large, static and consistent.
In China, people in Guangdong and in Beijing speak the same language, eat the same food, watch the same shows, read the same books, etc. They have an identity that is composed of various things that are shared by all people across the nation. These things also do not change, or if they do change, they change more or less uniformly throughout the state, and usually at a slow pace.
The USA's demographic profile is composed of many different ethnicities, cultures, languages, etc. This is not to say that USA citizens lack a uniform portion of their identity, however.
USA citizens all share (supposedly) the ideals that are expressed in the preamble above: The rights to life, liberty and happiness.
This fluid identity based on ideals and values allows people to assimilate to the US society and generally be accepted by other citizens. If you pay your taxes, are kind, and don't hurt other people, most people will at least tolerate you, no matter if you are Swahili, Vietnamese, Venezuelan, or German.
This lack of a cohesive, static identity is a double edged sword, though.
The USA is not a old country, but it is also not a new country. The ideals that are shared by it's constituents are, and have been, subject to change. We have seen this in party switches, for example. The Liberals of the 20's and 30's are not the same as the liberals of the 60's and 70's. The USA was founded under the pretense of being able to freely practice any religion, but people in the west are becoming less religious.
The constant development and change of this identity leaves US citizens divided, unable to relate to each other on the basis of heritage, cuisine choices, shared history, or other characteristics shared among ethnicities, such as in many European nation states.
Do you think that a fluid national identity based on ideals instead of shared characteristics is a good or a bad thing? Why or why not?The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2024-10-19 at 6:05 AM UTC
Originally posted by Kingoftoes In China, people in Guangdong and in Beijing speak the same language, eat the same food, watch the same shows, read the same books, etc. They have an identity that is composed of various things that are shared by all people across the nation. These things also do not change, or if they do change, they change more or less uniformly throughout the state, and usually at a slow pace.
You are another clueless fuck.
China has more than 300 languages spoken within its borders
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2024-10-19 at 6:11 AM UTCNo KOF. I don't think it matters whatever and fuck ok
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2024-10-19 at 6:15 AM UTC
Originally posted by Speedy Parker You are another clueless fuck.
China has more than 300 languages spoken within its borders
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And you are another clueless fuck that doesn't know how to use wikipedia.
"According to the 2010 edition of Nationalencyklopedin, 955 million out of China's then-population of 1.34 billion spoke some variety of Mandarin Chinese as their first language, accounting for 71% of the country's population."
92% of language spoken in China is Chinese.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2024-10-19 at 12:24 PM UTCI think ideal fluid is good .. all the legal process hoops to change those ideals is what keeps the great propaganda machines from wanting them different “RITENAO”
It’s not good to be certain you’re right about everything all the time. We insects don’t actually know that much. Ideal fluid is what makes our country niceThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2024-10-19 at 1:09 PM UTCWe're Muricans though we share a national identity, born and bred consumers ran by a government that is a corporation thinly veiled as an actual government.
Sometimes I feel like we are a social experiment instead of a country but I will say I do love it here, there's much worse shit holes we can be living in.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2024-10-19 at 4:06 PM UTC
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2024-10-19 at 4:08 PM UTC
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2024-10-19 at 4:15 PM UTC
Originally posted by Kinkou I think ideal fluid is good .. all the legal process hoops to change those ideals is what keeps the great propaganda machines from wanting them different “RITENAO”
It’s not good to be certain you’re right about everything all the time. We insects don’t actually know that much. Ideal fluid is what makes our country nice
Some of the values that the USA was founded on aren't necessarily enforced by strict rule of law, Afterall, how do you legally protect someone's right to "the pursuit of happiness": it's a set of vague descriptions of what are now seen today as "American" ideals.
That's a good point though, there are certain amendments that protect the rights of citizens that are based on "American" ideals.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
- 1st Amendment To The US Constitution. -
2024-10-19 at 4:18 PM UTC
Originally posted by Kingoftoes Some of the values that the USA was founded on aren't necessarily enforced by strict rule of law, Afterall, how do you legally protect someone's right to "the pursuit of happiness": it's a set of vague descriptions of what are now seen today as "American" ideals.
That's a good point though, there are certain amendments that protect the rights of citizens that are based on "American" ideals.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
- 1st Amendment To The US Constitution.
I bet you couldn't pass the exam Jiggaboo_Johnson had to take to become a US citizen. -
2024-10-19 at 4:25 PM UTC
Originally posted by trippymindfuk We're Muricans though we share a national identity, born and bred consumers ran by a government that is a corporation thinly veiled as an actual government.
Right on the nose, unfortunately.
"The west, so afraid of strong government, now has no government. Only financial power."
Originally posted by trippymindfuk Sometimes I feel like we are a social experiment instead of a country but I will say I do love it here, there's much worse shit holes we can be living in.
Yeah, there is always food on the table, the lights don't go out, and the heat stays on in the winter.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2024-10-19 at 4:31 PM UTCThere is nothing wrong with using wikipedia as a source
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2024-10-19 at 4:38 PM UTCUsing any encyclopedia would do speedy well
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2024-10-19 at 4:39 PM UTCI am assuming he is also a conspiracy theorist and worships Trump
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2024-10-19 at 4:39 PM UTC
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2024-10-19 at 4:44 PM UTCIt’s a type of encyclopedia. Who do you picture wrote the entries for any hard copies ? I for one prefer reference links in any situation
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2024-10-19 at 4:56 PM UTC
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2024-10-19 at 8:44 PM UTClol any reference to China sends Shabbos Parker into a spam/cope tailspin, classic
Ideology is downstream from culture, and culture is downstream from race/ethicity/genetic closeness. Historically the only states that have remained stable long-term have been racially homogeneous; I've heard numbers between 80-90% being ideal before the surface tension starts to break with minorities beginning to conflict with the majority and trying to increase their numbers and influence. It certainly doesn't help that modern western countries don't typically enforce any real assimilation which speeds the process of social fragmentation down ethnic, cultural and religious lines.
There have been relatively successful multiethnic empires in the past but they typically would maintain a homogeneous core; with the Greeks, Romans, British and whoever else the non-native subjects typically were not granted full citizenship or at the very least were excluded from the state's centres of powerThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2024-10-20 at 11:48 AM UTC
Originally posted by ner vegas lol any reference to China sends Shabbos Parker into a spam/cope tailspin, classic
Ideology is downstream from culture, and culture is downstream from race/ethicity/genetic closeness. Historically the only states that have remained stable long-term have been racially homogeneous; I've heard numbers between 80-90% being ideal before the surface tension starts to break with minorities beginning to conflict with the majority and trying to increase their numbers and influence. It certainly doesn't help that modern western countries don't typically enforce any real assimilation which speeds the process of social fragmentation down ethnic, cultural and religious lines.
There have been relatively successful multiethnic empires in the past but they typically would maintain a homogeneous core; with the Greeks, Romans, British and whoever else the non-native subjects typically were not granted full citizenship or at the very least were excluded from the state's centres of power
Wikipedia lol -
2024-10-20 at 12:53 PM UTC
Originally posted by ner vegas lol any reference to China sends Shabbos Parker into a spam/cope tailspin, classic
Ideology is downstream from culture, and culture is downstream from race/ethicity/genetic closeness. Historically the only states that have remained stable long-term have been racially homogeneous; I've heard numbers between 80-90% being ideal before the surface tension starts to break with minorities beginning to conflict with the majority and trying to increase their numbers and influence. It certainly doesn't help that modern western countries don't typically enforce any real assimilation which speeds the process of social fragmentation down ethnic, cultural and religious lines.
There have been relatively successful multiethnic empires in the past but they typically would maintain a homogeneous core; with the Greeks, Romans, British and whoever else the non-native subjects typically were not granted full citizenship or at the very least were excluded from the state's centres of power
White elites think they will remain in charge forever - basically they have internalised the idea that whites/jedis are inherently superior, and therefore don't need to worry.
This thought process hasn't worked out well historically, but white history is full of examples of where some faggots decide they can dominate, conquer, exploit or rule over larger groups of people just because they have better table manners.
