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Social taboos are a huge social taboo
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2024-10-12 at 11:31 AM UTCSocial taboos exist and violating them is generally (but not always) detrimental to society at large. Unfortunately, to even mention or discuss the existence of a taboo is often itself a violation of the same taboo, meaning those cases in which a taboo-violating discussions of social taboos which would otherwise be for the benefit of society are also deemed taboo. That is, violation of this meta taboo for the purpose of discussing the problems with object level taboos is socially taboo too. This needs to be addressed.
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2024-10-12 at 11:48 AM UTC
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2024-10-12 at 11:58 AM UTCsocial tabbouleh
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2024-10-12 at 1:19 PM UTCSocial tabernacle
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2024-10-12 at 1:22 PM UTCYOu said the taboo phrase "social!"
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2024-10-12 at 1:39 PM UTCHey Hank, you coming over to Gary and Mike's tomorrow for margaritas and Taboo?
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2024-10-12 at 1:49 PM UTC
Originally posted by π¦π MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING - vaxxed and octoboosted π (we beat covid!) π¬πππ (π©β) That's just not true.
Hmmm. I guess? Violating taboos means profaning something held sacred by the prevailing social order, thereby eroding social cohesion. Violating them is always detrimental to some degree, even when they don't exist for any particularly justifiable reason and/or are outright harmful in their own right. It's simply that the detriment may be outweighed by the good getting rid of such a taboo can do. -
2024-10-12 at 1:51 PM UTCYou know I'm defending this but I wrote as a shitpost so I don't know why.
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2024-10-12 at 1:53 PM UTCπ¦π Soyboy - vaxxed and octoboosted π (we beat covid!) π¬πππ (π©β) Tuskegee Airman
Originally posted by Elbow Hmmm. I guess? Violating taboos means profaning something held sacred by the prevailing social order, thereby eroding social cohesion. Violating them is always detrimental to some degree, even when they don't exist for any particularly justifiable reason and/or are outright harmful in their own right. It's simply that the detriment may be outweighed by the good getting rid of such a taboo can do.
No that's all bullshit.
A taboo is something that causes anxiety in individuals.
For instance race and crime, race and iq, old people and the right time to die, demographics, the place of the family in society, the national debt.
All very taboo, yet all topics that matter and we'd be better off discussing. -
2024-10-12 at 1:55 PM UTC
Originally posted by Elbow Hmmm. I guess? Violating taboos means profaning something held sacred by the prevailing social order, thereby eroding social cohesion. Violating them is always detrimental to some degree, even when they don't exist for any particularly justifiable reason and/or are outright harmful in their own right. It's simply that the detriment may be outweighed by the good getting rid of such a taboo can do.
like going back to the victorian times when it comes to sex? or admitting they were more right? -
2024-10-12 at 2:03 PM UTC
Originally posted by π¦π MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING - vaxxed and octoboosted π (we beat covid!) π¬πππ (π©β) No that's all bullshit.
A taboo is something that causes anxiety in individuals.
For instance race and crime, race and iq, old people and the right time to die, demographics, the place of the family in society, the national debt.
All very taboo, yet all topics that matter and we'd be better off discussing.
No, it's quite true, actually, that if "race and IQ" or "race and crime" discourse flourishes, that it will be massively disruptive to social cohesion and public order. It will make people uncomfortable. It will make people angry. Even if ultimately there is a brighter future on the other side of the discussion, the discussion itself is a massive problem. If you want people to discuss these things, you have to convince them that the problems that arise when these taboos are violated are actually worth dealing with. -
2024-10-12 at 2:07 PM UTCπ¦π Soyboy - vaxxed and octoboosted π (we beat covid!) π¬πππ (π©β) Tuskegee Airman
Originally posted by Elbow No, it's quite true, actually, that if "race and IQ" or "race and crime" discourse flourishes, that it will be massively disruptive to social cohesion and public order.
Even in Africa?
Stop pushing your 99% white country viewpoints. It's 2024. Mass immigration is a fact. These things cannot be ignored or brushed under the carpet. -
2024-10-12 at 2:10 PM UTC
Originally posted by Warcry like going back to the victorian times when it comes to sex? or admitting they were more right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_moralityIntellectual historians searching for causes of the new morality often point to the ideas by Hannah More, William Wilberforce, and the Clapham Sect. Perkin argues this exaggerates the influence of a small group of individuals, who were "as much an effect of the revolution as a cause." It also has a timing problem, for many predecessors had failed. The intellectual approach tends to minimize the importance of Nonconformists and Evangelicalsβthe Methodists, for example, played a powerful role among the upper tier of the working class. Finally, it misses a key ingredient: instead of trying to improve an old society, the reformers were trying to lead Britain into a new society of the future.[42]
Victorian era movements for justice, freedom, and other strong moral values made greed, and exploitation into public evils. The writings of Charles Dickens, in particular, observed and recorded these conditions.[43] Peter Shapely examined 100 charity leaders in Victorian Manchester. They brought significant cultural capital, such as wealth, education and social standing. Besides the actual reforms for the city they achieved for themselves a form of symbolic capital, a legitimate form of social domination and civic leadership. The utility of charity as a means of boosting one's social leadership was socially determined and would take a person only so far.[44]
The Marxist intellectual Walter Benjamin connected Victorian morality to the rise of the bourgeoisie. Benjamin alleged that the shopping culture of the petite bourgeoisie established the sitting room as the centre of personal and family life; as such, the English bourgeois culture is a sitting-room culture of prestige through conspicuous consumption. This acquisition of prestige is then reinforced by the repression of emotion and of sexual desire, and by the construction of a regulated social-space where propriety is the key personality trait desired in men and women. -
2024-10-12 at 2:11 PM UTCCNC
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2024-10-12 at 2:15 PM UTC
Originally posted by π¦π MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING - vaxxed and octoboosted π (we beat covid!) π¬πππ (π©β) Even in Africa?
Stop pushing your 99% white country viewpoints. It's 2024. Mass immigration is a fact. These things cannot be ignored or brushed under the carpet.
In a place where it wouldn't cause problems, it wouldn't be taboo! -
2024-10-12 at 2:16 PM UTC
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2024-10-12 at 2:22 PM UTCyeh nigguh
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2024-10-12 at 2:23 PM UTC
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2024-10-12 at 2:44 PM UTC
Originally posted by π¦π MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING - vaxxed and octoboosted π (we beat covid!) π¬πππ (π©β) Not true. Discussing what is happening is verboten in both Japan and South Africa.
Some taboos are almost universally held.
It will cause problems in Japan and South Africa! Japan has a bunch of immigrant communities. As racially homogeneous as Japan is, it is not a racially pure country, and discussing these things tears at the fibers loosely holding the fabric of any multiracial society together. Race relations in South Africa of all places practically could not be any fucking worse! And yet any form of discourse promising a racial reckoning threatens to be the thing that gets the last living Boer killed. The taboo exists for a reason. smh -
2024-10-12 at 2:59 PM UTCπ¦π Soyboy - vaxxed and octoboosted π (we beat covid!) π¬πππ (π©β) Tuskegee Airman
Originally posted by Elbow It will cause problems in Japan and South Africa! Japan has a bunch of immigrant communities. As racially homogeneous as Japan is, it is not a racially pure country, and discussing these things tears at the fibers loosely holding the fabric of any multiracial society together. Race relations in South Africa of all places practically could not be any fucking worse! And yet any form of discourse promising a racial reckoning threatens to be the thing that gets the last living Boer killed. The taboo exists for a reason. smh
So Japanese really decided collectively to make such talk verboten because they didn't want to offend a few dozen Nigerians in Tokyo?
