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Why have they banned hexamine camping blocks over here
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2024-08-06 at 9:27 AM UTCIs this the right place to post this thread?
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2024-08-06 at 11:51 AM UTCprobably meth related
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2024-08-06 at 12:02 PM UTCAutists were using them to power their toy trains, and they wanted to stamp down on train related autism in general.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2024-08-06 at 2:44 PM UTCwell if you weren't aware it's commonly used in explosives manufacturing
Originally posted by Instigator They banned hexamine cooking blocks( for bushcraft cooking) a couple of months ago.
like the stuff muslims do
Originally posted by ner vegas probably meth related
nah british cooks use phosphorOUS h3po3 acid and heat from the RAYS OF THE SUN and concave specially designed flasks that concentrate the beams of the sun to boil the solution, real green organic meth ya innit
we already had this threadFormation of Hexamine
For weeks I've been trying to figure out a way around the formation of Hexamine (C6H12N4). It's used as a solid fuel tablet for cooking.
From some websites I found some tiring way to prepare it: Hexamine is made up of Formaldehyde (CH2O) and ammonia. Ammonia is relatively easy to obtain, except for the Formaldehyde. Here's a method for Formaldehyde I found on Wikipedia: "Industrially, formaldehyde is produced by the catalytic oxidation of methanol. The most common catalysts are silver metal or a mixture of an iron oxide with molybdenum and vanadium. In the more commonly used FORMOX® process methanol and oxygen react at ca 250-400 °C in presence of iron oxide in combination with molybdenium and/or vanadium to produce formaldehyde according to the chemical equation
2 CH3OH + O2 → 2 H2CO + 2 H2O
The silver-based catalyst is usually operated at a higher temperature, about 650 °C. On it, two chemical reactions simultaneously produce formaldehyde: the one shown above, and the dehydrogenation reaction
CH3OH → H2CO + H2
Formaldehyde is readily oxidized by atmospheric oxygen to form formic acid. Formic acid is found in ppm levels in commercial formaldehyde." Too complicated and difficult!
Is there another easier way to figure this out?
Just my advice, son, but unless you are fond of the rotan I would not get caught in Singapore making or acquiring the basic raw material for preparation of RDX and HMX.
I would be very surprised if its sale and manufacture are not proscribed without a special license in Singapore.
Naturally you could try to convince the authorities that you needed hexamine aka hexamethylenetetramine aka Urotropine as a urinary tract disinfectant. Good luck with that defense.
The tedious part about the prep of hexamine is that both formaldehyde and ammonia are employed in their aqueous solutions and all that water needs to then be evaporated off after the condensation of 6 mols formaldehyde and four mols ammonia. As if you didn't have enough water to get rid of, the condensation itself produces more water.
My advice is, stick to a peper chase on energetic materials or move to a freer country. In Sg, even a paper chase can land you in hot water these days.
As a former highly paid consultant to Singapore's MOD, I am familiar with their methods. Changi is a nice airport but a nasty prison. -
2024-08-06 at 2:51 PM UTCI knew it was some sort of explosive.
To be honest It was the first thing I was thinking about this morning and instead of googling it I thought I would ask my favourite reprobates. -
2024-08-06 at 3:12 PM UTCRemember that scene of breaking bad where Walter White steals and entire drum of Methylamine? turns out he's a fucking idiot
Methylamine Hydrochloride from HMTA, Eleusis' version [with comments by Rhodium]
140g of Hexamine is carefully dissolved in 400mL of Muriatic Acid (31.45% HCl) to which at least 100mL of (preferably) absolute ethanol has been added. Add the hexamine slowly while stirring vigorously and with good ventilation as some nasty fumes are produced. Allow all to stir at room temperature for at least 8 hours but preferably 16. The solution will become turbid within several hours of the initial mixing. I *believe* this is the formation of a formaldehyde trimer of some sort and I suspect that the original equation for the conversion of hexamine into methylamine fragments is therefore incorrect. [There is no trimer of any sort formed, if enough water and formaldehyde is present. Eleusis uses 4 moles of amine to 6 methylenes, which is enough, but gives less yield.] At any rate, enhancement off this white precipitate which is obviously not an amine salt due to it being fluffy even in Florida's humidity (almost all simple amine salts are hygroscopic) [With the exception of ammonium chloride, and this is it]. Finally, remove the excess water, hydrochloric acid and freako volatile products by, ideally, heating the liquid at low to medium heat in a porcelain saucepan. Stove-proof glass would be ideal, but stainless-steel, aluminum and copper are definitely not! [Rather use a RB flask, with a water aspirator attached, smells considerably less]. The concentration can generally be left unattended for a couple of hours, but try to stick around and babysit it at least the first time so you will have a good idea of how long it takes for your particular stove/pots/etc… [Or else it'll BURN!] Also, the methylamine HCl will form a melt if heated too long at which point it will sublimate off. It will then appear as if it's taking forever for the stuff to concentrate when in fact you are merely boiling your product away. After the concentrated slush has become sufficiently "thick", take it off the heat every so often to see if it doesn't soldify, insuring that the water is mostly gone and that not too much sublimation has occured (some is inevitable and even desireable). The yield of Methylamine HCl should be around 200g as white deliquescent crystals. Note, ACS-grade methylamine HCl is colorless. We aren't using ACS-grade production techniques here, so don't expect ACS-grade product. However, the methylamine produced by this method is eminently suitable for the many purposes normally intended and if allowed to sublimate some when heating, no adjustment for "purity" or "water content" need be made in subsequent uses of it. . If the crystals are opaque white and do not deliquesce quickly in air of average humidity (65% rh), they may be contaminated with some Hexamine or some bizarre polymer. [Or ammonium chloride. Recrystallize from methanol, then wash with CHCl3]. Washing 100g of the crude product with 100mL of Chloroform by stirring in a beaker then enhancementing, repeated as many times as necessary, will remove Hexamine. Methylamine HCl is insoluble in Chloroform whereas Hexamine is at the rate of 1g to 10mL. As a final note, I have been informed that hexamine is available in some areas in the form of "fuel tablets" for small camping stoves. I have received mixed results from various individuals using this so, as the saying goes, Caveat Emptor. -
2024-09-22 at 9:55 AM UTCThermal decomposition of calcium formate yields formaldehyde as the main product.
Reacting formic acid with calcium chloride or calcium hydroxide yields calcium formate.
Thermal decomposition of oxalic acid yields formic acid but the yield is small so using glycerol as a catalyst and steam distilling over formic from oxalic glycerol dramatically improves yield. The glycerol is 100% reusable.
Oxalic acid can be extracted from sawdust (preferably from softwood) mixed with sodium hydroxide. Oxalic acid is actually quite common in nature. I think I saw a fungal production method for producing formic, possibly also oxalic. The fungus was not a yeast but a mycorrhizal fungi if I recall correctly and it was sort of like a mushroom liquid culture.
The methanol to formaldehyde is probably a lot easier but Id rather have jugs of calcium formate sitting around than jugs of methanol, especially if Im immediately reacting any formaldehyde with 30+% ammonia to precipitate solid hexamine crystals.
Ethanol like methanol also yields formaldehyde from thermal decomposition, although probably in a much lower yield.
If you had access to the right equipment, formic acid can be produced from CO2 + water and visible light.
EDIT: Mildew removal products such as mildewcide are near 100% pure paraformaldehyde and can be converted to formaldehyde rather simply.
There is a lot of routes to make or procure formaldehyde. I wouldnt call it difficult.
They can try to ban whatever they want, the british government are idiots. MI6 also hires people just based on who they know also. Bunch of talentless retards.
P2P meth synths are pretty much impossible to stop also since theres so many different OTC routes just like with RDX -
2024-09-22 at 2:34 PM UTCarhahahahahaha
a model train factory had tomshut down because of this
arhahahaharajahajrl -
2024-09-23 at 10:33 AM UTCAnother way to get oxalic acid is from wood sorrel and purslane. The acid form of oxalates, oxalic acid, has a sour flavor unlike the insoluble salts. So amaranth for example doesnt contain as much of the acid form as its not very sour.
Spinach contains over 700mg of oxalic acid, probably mostly in oxalate form, per half cup.
Purslane is everywhere and the stems contain more acid form than the leaves. Apparently it does well in hydroponic systems and nitrate ions favor oxalic acid production more than ammonium ions, so it would seem aquaponic systems would be good for producing oxalic acid since it rapidly converts ammonia to nitrate once the bacteria is built up.
oxalic acid + calcium nitrate also produces dilute nitric acid. The nitric destroys the oxalic at higher concentration but I found that interesting. dilute nitric of course can be distilled to purity for RDX or whatever since nitric has no azeotrope... urea nitrate is another good choice since it only requires dilute nitric + urea. Nice filler explosive.
Anyway I want to crush up some purslane and make a solution of it in warm water to extract the oxalic acid and valuable omega 3 fatty acid. After removing the plant matter and omega 3 Ill add glycerol and steam distill formic acid over into the condenser and test the pH and purity once I get some litmus paper... -
2024-09-23 at 11:23 AM UTCI put cayenne and white pepper in bovril dude and think I'm a scientist.
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2024-09-23 at 11:29 AM UTC
Originally posted by Instigator I put cayenne and white pepper in bovril dude and think I'm a scientist.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
Its all quite basic, no need to be a scientist. What you think of my posts and what you have ideas about are irrelevant, as someone that is actually relevant may find the info Ive posted useful.
And if you cant comprehend what Ive posted, you may want to stay in the kidiots forums. This one appears to be above your head. -
2024-09-23 at 2:34 PM UTCerryone cooking the otc nitric acid. I want to start a fireworks factory in my basement. It's all dry powders so idk what those chinks are doing to cause them to explode so much just don't smoke next to the stack and you'll be aight
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2024-09-24 at 7:46 PM UTC"wood bleach" is a product that is mostly or entirely oxalic acid, for bleaching wood as the name implies.
RDX is interesting in that it can be produced without sulfuric acid.
Its also cool that you can grow purslane in an aquaponic system and get both oxalic acid and glycerol from it since it has a high fat content whereas most plants dont.
So you could set up an explosives factory without having to purchase most of the chemicals required. Almost entirely from the earth. Although bat poop is a better source of nitrates since it tends to be under bridges and in caves where rain wont wash it away, the bacteria can breathe better in it also which is important for nitrate production.
One guys channel was demonetized on youtube for a video about extracting nitrates from soil, which is odd cause the yields tend to be piss poor from soil.
Aqua systems produce nitrates like soil but bat poop or nitre beds are going to yield a lot more.... I may post a thread about making explosives entirely from natural sources at some point. Id put the videos if I include any on bitchute since youtube is weird about that stuff. They also removed an RDX synth from youtube cause it had a heat treatment step to remove the unstable HMX that forms with it.
