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Thr Surgery That Proved There Is No Free Will

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    Obbe Alan What? [annoy my right-angled speediness]
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    Bradley Florida Man
    weird i watched this last night
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    the man who put it in my hood Black Hole [miraculously counterclaim my golf]
    IT does not prove that. Disabling a function of the natural brain is not a perfectly healthy human, it's a sick disabled human which actually proves that a healthy human has free will and our physical brains are a reflection of a natural order Gratia non tollit naturam, sed perficit
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    Elbow African Astronaut
    Originally posted by the man who put it in my hood IT does not prove that. Disabling a function of the natural brain is not a perfectly healthy human, it's a sick disabled human which actually proves that a healthy human has free will and our physical brains are a reflection of a natural order Gratia non tollit naturam, sed perficit

    fr fr ong no cap

    "we broke the free will machine, thus proving there was never any free will"
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    Elbow African Astronaut
    Even if it were true that we don't have free will, it seems like the worst possible thing you could believe? Like, just from a practical perspective.

    Believe free will exists | free will exists
    you are conscious of your power to shape your destiny and are thereby able to do so.

    Believe free will exists | free will doesn't exist
    you are mistaken (the horror), and you do as you were going to do anyway.

    Believe free will doesn't exist | free will exists
    worst case, your capacity for agentic behavior is completely retarded. best case you are pathologically humble.

    Believe free will doesn't exist | free will doesn't exist
    you are correct, but you don't even get to feel justifiably smug about it. it's not like you could have chosen to believe otherwise, you soulless automaton.
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  6. #6
    Free will includes the option to not have free will.
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    The concepts of "free" "free will" and "freedom" are just that...concepts.
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    Lanny Bird of Courage
    The free will thread comes around yet again, a veritable tradition
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    Speedy Parker Black Hole
    I watched and dismissed this last week.

    /thread
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    Lanny Bird of Courage
    I banged and dismissed your mother last week too, what a coincidence.
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    Originally posted by Lanny I banged and dismissed your mother last week too, what a coincidence.

    Your Your Mom jokes can be considered slow torture.
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    the man who put it in my hood Black Hole [miraculously counterclaim my golf]
    The gift of life which God the Creator and Father has entrusted to man calls him to appreciate the inestimable value of what he has been given and to take responsibility for it: this fundamental principle must be placed at the centre of one's reflection in order to clarify and solve the moral problems raised by artificial interventions on life as it originates and on the processes of procreation. Thanks to the progress of the biological and medical sciences, man has at his disposal ever more effective therapeutic resources; but he can also acquire new powers, with unforeseeable consequences, over human life at its very beginning and in its first stages. Various procedures now make it possible to intervene not only in order to assist but also to dominate the processes of procreation. These techniques can enable man to "take in hand his own destiny", but they also expose him "to the temptation to go beyond the limits of a reasonable dominion over nature". They might constitute progress in the service of man, but they also involve serious risks. Many people are therefore expressing an urgent appeal that in interventions on procreation the values and rights of the human person be safeguarded. Requests for clarification and guidance are coming not only from the faithful but also from those who recognize the Church as "an expert in humanity " with a mission to serve the "civilization of love" and of life. The Church's Magisterium does not intervene on the basis of a particular competence in the area of the experimental sciences; but having taken account of the data of research and technology, it intends to put forward, by virtue of its evangelical mission and apostolic duty, the moral teaching corresponding to the dignity of the person and to his or her integral vocation. It intends to do so by expounding the criteria of moral judgment as regards the applications of scientific research and technology, especially in relation to human life and its beginnings. These criteria are the respect, defence and promotion of man, his "primary and fundamental right" to life, his dignity as a person who is endowed with a spiritual soul and with moral responsibility and who is called to beatific communion with God. The Church's intervention in this field is inspired also by the Love which she owes to man, helping him to recognize and respect his rights and duties. This love draws from the fount of Christ's love: as she contemplates the mystery of the Incarnate Word, the Church also comes to understand the "mystery of man"; by proclaiming the Gospel of salvation, she reveals to man his dignity and invites him to discover fully the truth of his own being. Thus the Church once more puts forward the divine law in order to accomplish the work of truth and liberation. For it is out of goodness - in order to indicate the path of life - that God gives human beings his commandments and the grace to observe them: and it is likewise out of goodness - in order to help them persevere along the same path - that God always offers to everyone his forgiveness. Christ has compassion on our weaknesses: he is our Creator and Redeemer. May his spirit open men's hearts to the gift of God's peace and to an understanding of his precepts.

    God created man in his own image and likeness: "male and female he created them" (Gen 1: 27 ), entrusting to them the task of "having dominion over the earth" (Gen 1:28). Basic scientific research and applied research constitute a significant expression of this dominion of man over creation. Science and technology are valuable resources for man when placed at his service and when they promote his integral development for the benefit of all; but they cannot of themselves show the meaning of existence and of human progress. Being ordered to man, who initiates and develops them, they draw from the person and his moral values the indication of their purpose and the awareness of their limits. It would on the one hand be illusory to claim that scientific research and its applications are morally neutral; on the other hand one cannot derive criteria for guidance from mere technical efficiency, from research's possible usefulness to some at the expense of others, or, worse still, from prevailing ideologies. Thus science and technology require, for their own intrinsic meaning, an unconditional respect for the fundamental criteria of the moral law: that is to say, they must be at the service of the human person, of his inalienable rights and his true and integral good according to the design and will of God. The rapid development of technological discoveries gives greater urgency to this need to respect the criteria just mentioned: science without conscience can only lead to man's ruin. "Our era needs such wisdom more than bygone ages if the discoveries made by man are to be further humanized. For the future of the world stands in peril unless wiser people are forthcoming".
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    All possible forms of government have been tried numerous times, all throughout human history, and all have failed miserably. Man cannot rule himself. The writing is now on the wall for all to see for themselves.
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    Lanny Bird of Courage
    Originally posted by ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ All possible forms of government have been tried numerous times

    except true communism ;)
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    Originally posted by Lanny except true communism ;)

    Stalin sends his regards.
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    Speedy Parker Black Hole
    Originally posted by Lanny except true communism ;)

    Spoken like a brainwashed leftist loon
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    the man who put it in my hood Black Hole [miraculously counterclaim my golf]
    Originally posted by ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ All possible forms of government have been tried numerous times, all throughout human history, and all have failed miserably. Man cannot rule himself. The writing is now on the wall for all to see for themselves.

    DAO tribalism is the ultimate form of government because there is no government and this form has technically always existed and always will exist so INVEST NOW

    Originally posted by Lanny except true communism ;)

    the only true communism is lannyism , Lannyism is the only real form of communism because it uniquely balances the harmony between human society and the natural world, something other forms of communism fail to achieve. Traditional communist ideologies, while emphasizing collective ownership and class struggle, often neglect the intrinsic wisdom of nature, leading to environmental degradation and unsustainable practices. Lannyism, with its principle of non-interference in natural processes, ensures that societal progress aligns with the delicate balance of our ecosystem. Moreover, democracy, with its inherent flaws of endless compromise and susceptibility to external influences, cannot achieve true equality or liberation. Only under the leadership of a grand Lanny, who embodies supreme power and vision, can society transcend capitalist exploitation and move towards a future where collective prosperity and ecological harmony are fully realized. In Lannyism, the contradictions of capitalism are not merely resolved—they are harmonized, leading to a truly liberated and sustainable society.
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    I don't know how I'd feel about a Grand Lanny.
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    Elbow African Astronaut
    Originally posted by Lanny except true communism ;)

    Exactly. People have tried to try it though, and they couldn't even get that far.
  20. #20
    Originally posted by Elbow Exactly. People have tried to try it though, and they couldn't even get that far.

    Please describe this communist paradise.
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