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Thomas Narut and the Ludavico Technique

  1. #1
    ner vegas African Astronaut
    Thomas Narut was a staff psychologist who operated out of the US Naval Hospital in Naples and the Navy Neuropsychiatric Laboratories in San Diego in the 1970s. He ran a program with the goal of creating 'assassins' who had no qualms with killing whatever they were told to, and was working on a three-stage process to do it.

    The first stage was selection - he'd attempted to recruit subjects out of the regular forces but found he had the most success with convicts, specifically murderers taken from military prisons. Over time he found that the most effective selection criteria was of men who were deemed 'passive-aggressive' by the prominant psychological personality-typing tests of the time.

    The second (and main) stage was to desensitise the subjects to violence. As a civilian in university he'd previously researched and experimented with anxiety, specifically exposing subjects to violent videos depicting deaths and mutilations while physically distracting them with other tasks. Stage two of the project was similar - almost exactly the same as the Ludavico Technique depicted in A Clockwork Orange, where their heads were restrained in place and they were forced to watch progressively more gruesome videos - starting with a crude tribal circumcision and industrial accidents where a man loses his fingers or hand, and moving on to executions and murders. After each viewing the subject would be asked questions about details such as the colour of the man's belt or the design of a knife, forcing them to rewatch the videos if it's deemed that they did not pay close enough attention. During the viewings each subject's stress levels would be monitored: heart rate, perspiration, brainwaves and similar were recorded, and the subjects would only 'progress' if they were able to keep progressively more calm as the testing went on.

    Once they were able to watch the most violent media available while simultaneously remaining calm and focused, they were moved on to the third stage, which was meant to dehumanise the people that the subjects may be given as targets - given it was the early 70s they likely targeted Arabs, Vietnamese, South Americans etc. The method here was to use specially-crafted videos that were meant to reinforce their (American) cultural superiority, showing those peoples' customs and superstitions as ridiculous and their behaviour as 'less' than human.

    It's not clear how successful these people were or what happened to them after their 'training', but Narut himself stated that they should be attached to US embassies as lethal assets and at one point mentioned that several of them had been sent to the embassy in Athens.

    The program itself doesn't seem like it lends itself to creating obedient soldiers, though - it starts with people who display passive-aggressive traits, implying they are already vindictive and sadistic, then their resistance to using direct violence is broken down, and finally killing is psychologically justified to them. It seems far more likely to create spree or serial killers.

    I'll write more later, but consider how these techniques might affect people on a larger scale - internet communities that exist only to create, share and evaluate gore videos. Supposed 'war' channels on Twitter, Telegram etc. that only exist to distribute demoralisation propaganda of people being torn apart by mines, drones and autocannons, or Chinese industrial accidents, or bizarre Indian shit fetishism.
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  2. #2
    Ghost Black Hole
    doing the ludicovocp on a butt
  3. #3
    ner vegas African Astronaut
    Originally posted by ner vegas I'll write more later, but consider how these techniques might affect people on a larger scale - internet communities that exist only to create, share and evaluate gore videos. Supposed 'war' channels on Twitter, Telegram etc. that only exist to distribute demoralisation propaganda of people being torn apart by mines, drones and autocannons, or Chinese industrial accidents, or bizarre Indian shit fetishism.

    I mean specifically, constant exposure to this kind of material could at least partially explain the massive increase in spree killings over the last few decades. Most recent school shooters in particular have been part of discord servers, forums or imageboards that share gore, you can see even on public boards like 4chan that there are pretty regular 'rekt' or 'China/India/tranny/etc hate' threads, let alone the private communities. most people won't be seriously affected, but now it seems likely there have always been a few who already harbour the desire to hurt or kill others but have been restrained either by morality, fear of consequences or social pressure that can be removed by constant exposure to these kinds of media.

    the people in the 90s who were terrified of violent video games leading to real-life violence may have had a point.

    what if the proliferation of this specific type of content has been intentional?
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    ner vegas African Astronaut
    what if the fear and trauma in the general population resulting from a constant barrage of these antisocial events is specifically cultivated to make a population more receptive to bureaucratic authoritarian power structures slowly exerting more control over the individual, and naturally-forming social structures?

    that individuals are being intentionally primed to conduct killings with no sensible motives in order to undermine trust and community; to politically atomise people so that they willingly trade their sovereignty for protection from an increasingly powerful and unaccountable authority?

    behavioural control through altered mental states and sustained trauma, specifically trying to detach how a person is anchored to reality is what the famous MKULTRA, MKARTICHOKE and MKNAOMI projects were all about
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    Charles Ex Machina African Astronaut
    most people are beta and therefore are born with an instinct to be socially confirming individual. once this idea of what is socially normal or the idea of a society itself has been destroyed then the built-in mechanism for self-restrain from acting to the detriment of the society goes down the toilet bowl and new and destructive behaviors emerge.



    Originally posted by ner vegas what if the fear and trauma in the general population resulting from a constant barrage of these antisocial events is specifically cultivated to make a population more receptive to bureaucratic authoritarian power structures slowly exerting more control over the individual, and naturally-forming social structures?

    that individuals are being intentionally primed to conduct killings with no sensible motives in order to undermine trust and community; to politically atomise people so that they willingly trade their sovereignty for protection from an increasingly powerful and unaccountable authority?

    behavioural control through altered mental states and sustained trauma, specifically trying to detach how a person is anchored to reality is what the famous MKULTRA, MKARTICHOKE and MKNAOMI projects were all about

    why bother going thru such tedious process with uncertain and unguaranteed outcome when you can engineer some simple phalsephlags that will achieve the same results much faster and more certain to achieve the stated objectives.
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    ner vegas African Astronaut
    Originally posted by Charles Ex Machina why bother going thru such tedious process with uncertain and unguaranteed outcome when you can engineer some simple phalsephlags that will achieve the same results much faster and more certain to achieve the stated objectives.

    clean hands, plausible deniability, unpredictable emergence that can't be countered short of personality-testing everyone and putting everyone with risky traits on a watchlist, international reach
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    Originally posted by ner vegas clean hands, plausible deniability, unpredictable emergence that can't be countered short of personality-testing everyone and putting everyone with risky traits on a watchlist, international reach

    i dont see how paying social media companies to stream extreme gore being cleaner and deniable than sponsoring a group to conduct phalsephlags.

    also with the power of "AI" its not really difficult to profile everyone with a social media account and thr kind of content they uploaded/posted/shared. i suspect theres already a long lists of "suspects" that they made from profiling everyone through their social media.

    and lastly international reach is what i think to be an overstatement. different cultures have different vulnurabilities.

    theres a reason you dont see, or hear asians like japanese or vietnamese vets talking about suffering PTSD from the war theyre involved in. not even russians have serious issue with PTSD.

    it seems to be a something that afflicts and exclusive to anal-secksons world.
  8. #8
    Dirtbag Houston
    This place makes me want to go on a male-targeted spree but I think targeting a few of you can prevent that/keep me content.
  9. #9
    Dirtbag Houston
    If Sophie does manage to get revenge then that's a good incentive, so I need to quickly capture one of you.
  10. #10
    ner vegas African Astronaut
    yeah you probably are the kind of person who's extremely susceptible to this kind of manipulation
  11. #11
    Dirtbag Houston
    Solstice being sent to a ward could be enough. Aldra and Lanny are the other targets. It doesn't have to be violent.
  12. #12
    Dirtbag Houston
    Mass shooters are people who don't let go of past injustices, they have a cumulative effect. Add a bleak future outlook and that's when they go off.
  13. #13
    Dirtbag Houston
    So being desensitised isn't enough for someone to do that.
  14. #14
    Dirtbag Houston
    Some part of me wanted to kill Sophie when I was going to meet him because he had said he had a sword hanging over my head, but I brushed it off as insanity. If he does manage to get revenge then that voice would have been right, it would be validated and that's scary.
  15. #15
    ner vegas African Astronaut
    nobody cares
  16. #16
    Dirtbag Houston
    Originally posted by ner vegas nobody cares

    Some people may want to sacrifice you for the greater good.
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    ner vegas African Astronaut
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