2017-06-09 at 4:08 AM UTC
posting in a dumbass thread, yo!
2017-06-09 at 4:11 AM UTC
The compatibilist definition is neat and clean. Free will is the ability of an agent to act by their own motivation, uncompelled and unrestricted by any other agent.
Assuming physical determinism, an agent's motivations are predetermined, but nonetheless they are their motivation and therefore if they are able to act on them, unrestricted or unconpelled by any other agent, then they have free will
Gg noobs. Go back and start from Forms.
2017-06-09 at 4:15 AM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie
Why does it have to be random though? Can't we just say, well, given Lanny's previous physical state or whatever there's N percentage of chance that he will do this or the other next. And if so, how does that not suggest there isn't a measure of free will at least.
Because (assuming we're not just using a probabilistic model because of incomplete information) wether the 70 or 30 outcome happens is still random. Dice rolls can have non-uniform outcome distributions but that doesn't diminish their "randomness".
Originally posted by Captain Falcon
How do you define free will?
I haven't.
Originally posted by Dargo
Yeah, let's start here. What is a good definition of free will?
Perhaps:
The cognitive ability of a person to choose between two or more options in a given situation.
Am issue with this as a definition of free will: A person may have the experience of being able to choose between winning a roulette spin or not (that is the cognitive ability to choose between winning or not) but this doesn't mean they're free to choose the outcome of the actual game.
If you tack on some efficacy criterion (like a person must have the ability to bring into reality the foreseen outcome of their choice for it to be free) then neither deterministic universes or ones with quantum level indeterminism fail to support free will.
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2017-06-09 at 4:17 AM UTC
P.S. forms are memes, kill yourselves boyfuckers
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2017-06-09 at 4:30 AM UTC
all the education you could get and you still know nothing ;/
2017-06-09 at 4:32 AM UTC
determinism is not possible because the uncertainty principle contradicts it. then again, can the uncertainty principle have a coincidence where everything is certain? philosophy is bullshit and grandiose because as a species that is a direct descendents of apes, every week there's conjecture and speculation on the billions and trillions of miles outside oneself with only the basis of "intuition"
there may be general trends in behavior such as structure and entropy, but every time a movement in space is left to chance the outcome of the next moment is holistically different, when considering the butterfly effect. we can structure our own worlds with our puny minds, but we cannot ever attribute it to an absolute truth or objective. true and false are situational
