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2017-06-08 at 5:25 AM UTC
Originally posted by BOSS https://quran.com/2/189-199
"Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors."
"And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers."
"And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful."
"Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors."
Originally posted by BOSS To your second and third points, Islam, as a doctrine in its purest form, is no more or less violent or destructive than Christianity or Judaism in terms of their doctrines.
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Originally posted by BOSS to the deposition of Mossadegh in Iraq by US and British forces, to the invasion of Iraq and removal of Saddam Hussein, which left the power vacuum that allowed Daesh to come into existence.
Man they really fucked iraq up bad, eh? -
2017-06-08 at 5:26 AM UTC
Originally posted by BOSS The same could be said for Christianity. Interestingly Islam is about 600 years younger than Christianity. Do you remember when the Reformation happened? ~500-600 years ago as I recall. I'd give them a little time. And you are ignoring the nuance in every individual situation for a very broad view.
You obviously dont understand what the reformation was. There are tons of christian denominations with orthodox being one of the closest to the original. But even so the seventh day adventists arent exactly forcefully converting anyone. The catholics arent quite calling for crusade. But suni, Shia, wahabbi all call for jihad.
Get your head out of your ass. Comparing christians to muhamadists like comparing followers of Bon to buddhists. Since you probably dont know Bon doesnt exist anymore because the buddhists wiped them out.
We are not all cut from the same cloth. We are in a war between civilized man and savages and sadly you are choosing the side of the savage. -
2017-06-08 at 5:28 AM UTC
Originally posted by AltarEgo BOSS is a dumbass. Muhamadism is the cult of a warlord pedophile narcissist. So what does that breed? Warlord pedophile narcissists. Have you ever looked at a muslim country? Have you ever noticed the fact that they just sell automatic weapons at the bazzars or that the women are kept in a burlap sack?
Moderate islam is just taqquia until they gain a majority. Look at England. The moderate muslim mayor of London basically said "yeah, muslims are gonna be killin, best not agitate them". Do i even need to bring up rotherham or the myrad other incidents where muslims methodically carried out rapes against literally thousands of young girls?
Islam is a garbage doctrine. The christians dont have a chapter of the new testament that focuses on how to wage war. The muslims do though. Huh really makes ya think.
The best way to deal with an issue is to approach it pragmatically. The pragmatic approach to deal with the issue of Muslim extremism is to separate the moderates from the extremists. If the conflict becomes about this versus all Muslims, then you are facing an army of 1.5+ billion people who are already all over the world, and some of whom have nukes. So that's not what we want. What we want is secular Muslims who condemn extremist Muslims and work with the authorities to root out extremism. -
2017-06-08 at 5:29 AM UTC
Originally posted by AltarEgo The christians dont have a chapter of the new testament that focuses on how to wage war.
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2017-06-08 at 5:31 AM UTC
Originally posted by mmQ Gonna do anti-Muslim may as well do anti-organized religion. Whether or not some holy books have more or less references to violence is moot in the overall picture. Not dissimilar to supporting Ted Bundy and running an anti-Vlad the Impaler campaign because he was far worse.
With the promotion of rational thought, Religion will soon itself. All that strong anti-religious expression does is strengthen the cognitive dissonance inherent to the thought of religious folk. -
2017-06-08 at 5:31 AM UTC
Originally posted by BOSS https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+20
Wrong testament, for the record.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2017-06-08 at 5:32 AM UTC
Originally posted by BOSS https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+20
I didnt know any books of the penteteuch were in the new testament. -
2017-06-08 at 5:32 AM UTC
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2017-06-08 at 5:32 AM UTCProtip: THEY FUCKING ARENT BIIIITCH
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2017-06-08 at 5:35 AM UTCOk
Originally posted by AltarEgo You obviously dont understand what the reformation was. There are tons of christian denominations with orthodox being one of the closest to the original. But even so the seventh day adventists arent exactly forcefully converting anyone. The catholics arent quite calling for crusade. But suni, Shia, wahabbi all call for jihad.
Get your head out of your ass. Comparing christians to muhamadists like comparing followers of Bon to buddhists. Since you probably dont know Bon doesnt exist anymore because the buddhists wiped them out.
We are not all cut from the same cloth. We are in a war between civilized man and savages and sadly you are choosing the side of the savage.
I'm not sure if you processed my point but the Crusades were a real series of holy wars. The point that is that Islam is going through the same growing pains as Christianity. They haven't had their reformation yet, and ultimately there's no reason why Muslims cannot be made secular in the same way as Christians have become.
All religious thought should ultimately be dismissed but the pragmatic route to that is through secularising the moderates of each religion, not by forcing them into being seen as the enemy -
2017-06-08 at 5:37 AM UTC
Originally posted by mmQ Wrong testament, for the record.
Originally posted by AltarEgo I didnt know any books of the penteteuch were in the new testament.
It is in the Bible, the holy book and literal Divine word of God according to Christian doctrine. Which half of the book it's in is really quite irrelevant to the fact that it's in there. -
2017-06-08 at 5:40 AM UTC
Originally posted by BOSS So that's not what we want.
Who is we here? Stop trying to make your point sound made by blanket stating what is wanted by any party but your own.
And the fight wouldnt be against 1.5 billion mudslimes. They dont let their women do shit and they sure as hell wont train them to fight in fear that they will turn against their owners. So its more like 75 million muslims. But many of those will be children and only good for suicide bombing. So basically we are talking about an army of 45 million towelheads against the America, Canada, the european states, Russia, China and numerous other world powers.
I wouldnt be surprised if the west went full phillipene presiden on them and legalized killing muslims on sight. Muslims stand no chance without cia backing. -
2017-06-08 at 5:41 AM UTCRelevant passage of the New Testament:
https://biblia.com/bible/niv/Matt%205.17-19
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them" -
2017-06-08 at 5:43 AM UTC
Originally posted by BOSS It is in the Bible, the holy book and literal Divine word of God according to Christian doctrine. Which half of the book it's in is really quite irrelevant to the fact that it's in there.
I understand.
The supposed nullification of old testament doctrine by the New testament is a ...Hair bit convenient. I do wonder why so many still then adhere to the advice of the Psalms and the stories of the O.T. while simultaneously disregarding it's importance or relevance in relation to the N.T.'s nullification of it.
I admittedly know very little about the Qur'an but I know a fair deal about the Bible and I have to assume both books are likely heavily combed over, picked through, and interpreted to whoever's own liking, hence the endless amount of Christian denominations. -
2017-06-08 at 5:43 AM UTC
Originally posted by AltarEgo Who is we here? Stop trying to make your point sound made by blanket stating what is wanted by any party but your own.
And the fight wouldnt be against 1.5 billion mudslimes. They dont let their women do shit and they sure as hell wont train them to fight in fear that they will turn against their owners. So its more like 75 million muslims. But many of those will be children and only good for suicide bombing. So basically we are talking about an army of 45 million towelheads against the America, Canada, the european states, Russia, China and numerous other world powers.
I wouldnt be surprised if the west went full phillipene presiden on them and legalized killing muslims on sight. Muslims stand no chance without cia backing.
Western society. Or at least rational members of western society, who want to minimise loss of life and understand that there is no point in antagonizing the entire Muslim population when the problem is a small subset that can and should be isolated from them. -
2017-06-08 at 5:45 AM UTCProtip: THEY FUCKING ARENT BIIIITCH
Originally posted by BOSS Ok
I'm not sure if you processed my point but the Crusades were a real series of holy wars. The point that is that Islam is going through the same growing pains as Christianity. They haven't had their reformation yet, and ultimately there's no reason why Muslims cannot be made secular in the same way as Christians have become.
All religious thought should ultimately be dismissed but the pragmatic route to that is through secularising the moderates of each religion, not by forcing them into being seen as the enemy
The crusades were a response to islamic provocation. Sure they were holy wars but they were obviously justified on the grounds that god willed it and the crusaders fucking won.
Also the pragmatic approach is not to dismiss anything. You obviously dont understand what the term pragmatic means as it is not sensible to say "we must dismiss religious thought entirely but do so by dismissing some religious thought before dismissing the rest". -
2017-06-08 at 5:46 AM UTC
Originally posted by BOSS It is in the Bible, the holy book and literal Divine word of God according to Christian doctrine. Which half of the book it's in is really quite irrelevant to the fact that it's in there.
Isn't that a bit of a stretch, they're literally called Christians, as in it's Christ and His word that matters. Only some retard creationist piece of shit from like kentucky brings up the old testament to justify some shit that isn't "be good to your neighbor, turn the other cheek, etc etc. Although I don't really know much about this shit and wouldn't claim too.
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2017-06-08 at 5:47 AM UTC
Originally posted by mmQ I understand.
The supposed nullification of old testament doctrine by the New testament is a …Hair bit convenient. I do wonder why so many still then adhere to the advice of the Psalms and the stories of the O.T. while simultaneously disregarding it's importance or relevance in relation to the N.T.'s nullification of it.
I admittedly know very little about the Qur'an but I know a fair deal about the Bible and I have to assume both books are likely heavily combed over, picked through, and interpreted to whoever's own liking, hence the endless amount of Christian denominations.
There is not really any nullification as far my own studies go. As you said, it is used as a convenient out.
Ultimately, there are Muslims who have "interpreted" their religion to be more in line with progressive values, who no longer present a threat to Western society, the same as Christians. It's to our benefit to make them allies and move them out if Islam by transitioning them through secularism.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2017-06-08 at 5:47 AM UTC
Originally posted by Nil Isn't that a bit of a stretch, they're literally called Christians, as in it's Christ and His word that matters. Only some retard creationist piece of shit from like kentucky brings up the old testament to justify some shit that isn't "be good to your neighbor, turn the other cheek, etc etc. Although I don't really know much about this shit and wouldn't claim too.
Christ is God. The Bible claims to be ENTIRELY God breathed. -
2017-06-08 at 5:48 AM UTC
Originally posted by BOSS Western society. Or at least rational members of western society, who want to minimise loss of life and understand that there is no point in antagonizing the entire Muslim population when the problem is a small subset that can and should be isolated from them.
Hahaha look at this faggot. He thinks that he can generalize the west. He thinks he determines who is rational. What a fucking moron.
Here is another protip. Humans are not rational. Society isnt rational. Carl Scheele found hella elements but died of mercury poisoning because he likes tasting his discoveries. Pythagoras died over some fucking beans. Alan turing was a fag. None of that is rational but all of these people contributed loads more than you ever will.
