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World to hit temperature tipping point 10 years faster than forecast
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2023-09-22 at 7:29 PM UTCBob: "I can pick myself up by the seat of my own pants."
John: "I doubt it. You can't even reach the seat of your own pants."
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2023-09-22 at 7:47 PM UTCBuffalo chips.
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2023-09-22 at 7:51 PM UTCClams.
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2023-09-22 at 7:54 PM UTCof the bearded variety?
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2023-09-22 at 7:57 PM UTC
Originally posted by jerryb Talking to people my age and older we agree the climate in this area has changed since we where kids so I do believe in climate change. I also believe humans have an impact but to what degree I don't know. Even if humans had zero impact I'd be for doing all we can to have less impact on the world we live on because it still benefits us.
I’ve said it before that even I’m not entirely convinced that climate change is primarily driven by human action. We were already in a warming period before the industrial era, that much is obvious. And there are things we still don’t understand about the cycle of the sun and shit like that. I’m not claiming the science is settled and that I know all the answers.
But my whole thing is even if it was 0% due to human activity, there’s a couple things that are absolutely clear:
1. The earth IS warming rapidly.
2. Burning fossil fuels is an inefficient and messy way to produce energy and we’ve already invented better ways of doing it cheaper and more sustainably. We just don’t take action on it because of pushback from existing financial interests (mainly the fossil fuel lobby).
So whether humans are causing it or not, the sea levels will rise, crops will fail, and extreme weather patterns will become more common. And right now we are doing basically fuck-all to prepare for any of this. We’re not changing our building codes to withstand stronger hurricanes, hotter summers, and colder winters, we’re not hardening our infrastructure, we’re not preparing for periods of extended droughts and famines, we’re not building nuclear plants… and so on.
These are all things we should already be doing regardless of what’s causing climate change because they just make sense to do. But instead we’d rather all argue about whether it’s even real or not meanwhile just keep giving trillions of dollars to the fossil fuel industry and carry on business as usual.
We already subsidize the fossil fuel industry with our tax dollars, all I’m saying is we just slowly transition that money to building up alternatives over the next 20-30 years until eventually we don’t need fossil fuels anymore. And guess what, the fossil fuel lobby knows they can’t keep the money train rolling forever, that’s why they’re already taking steps to become major players in the coming alternative energy market. They’re already investing billions. They just want to milk every last cent they can out of oil and coal before they have to make the transition.
Anyway I think this is a pretty reasonable position that falls somewhere in the middle of all the hysterics that surround this issue, people like Spectral being on one extreme side, and Greta Thunberg on the other. But anyway.
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2023-09-22 at 8:03 PM UTC"The nights are getting longer. That must mean the Sun is dying." - The Idiot
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2023-09-22 at 10:14 PM UTC
Originally posted by jerryb Talking to people my age and older we agree the climate in this area has changed since we where kids so I do believe in climate change. I also believe humans have an impact but to what degree I don't know. Even if humans had zero impact I'd be for doing all we can to have less impact on the world we live on because it still benefits us.
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2023-09-22 at 10:34 PM UTC
Originally posted by jerryb So will Canada, good we'll let them feed all those poor Africans.
Maybe, but it could also be more complicated than that:
Will Canada benefit from climate change?Several global agricultural studies predict benefits from climate change for Canada—one model projects the productive value of Canadian prairie farmland could increase by 1 to 4 per cent or up to $4 billion annually. However, these studies are usually highly simplified and estimate farming benefits based only on projected temperature increases—a reductionist approach that assumes warming temperatures will extend the growing season for key crops and grow the land base available for farming. These studies fail to account for more specific effects of climate change and other factors crucial to the viability and success of agriculture: more frequent extreme weather events, the expansion of pests and diseases, water availability, and soil quality.
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2023-09-22 at 10:42 PM UTCAs a kid late summer was usually hot and dry and now all summer is really wet. Actually temps are a little cooler but very humid. We always had fairly short winters but they where colder and got more snow, now I can go most of winter with just a hoodie or jacket.
Spring and fall now doesn't last as long, seems to almost go from hot to cold. TN always was a wet state but more so now, we get more rain than Seattle but fewer rain days.
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2023-09-22 at 10:55 PM UTC
Originally posted by Obbe Maybe, but it could also be more complicated than that:
Will Canada benefit from climate change?
That's interesting, plus a lot of northern land in Russia and Canada not really great soil. Food is one way humans could make an impact today. I think I read the US waste enough food to basically feed another country its own size. We're a pretty wasteful country really.
North America is very rural but I think we could do much better mass transit on the eastern and western coast where a large part of people live.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2023-09-22 at 10:58 PM UTCJerry I'd like to formally ask you to shut the fuck up and stop talking rationally. Thanks.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2023-09-22 at 11:53 PM UTC
Originally posted by Fox What the fuck, the poles never reversed dumbass. That’s just propaganda from the Big Magnet lobby trying to trick you into thinking magnets matter or something. Also the earth is only 6,000 years old retard. Don’t believe the fake news
The last reversal was about 780,000 years ago. Reversals are not instantaneous; they happen over a period of hundreds to thousands of years, though recent research indicates that at least one reversal could have taken place over a period of one year.
Source: https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/it-true-earths-magnetic-field-occasionally-reverses-its-polarity
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