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2023-08-18 at 8:01 PM UTC
Originally posted by Cowboy2013 You don't think white men would have lynched any black men for you in the 1930's?
They would have lynched me. My penis would not have gone over well with the crowds.
Even were that not the case, it's currently not the 1930s, and until Hitler whisks me away in the magic Nazi Bell-shaped time machine my ability to have power over black men 90 years ago is... temporally constrained. By the arrow of time. You know how it is. -
2023-08-18 at 8:06 PM UTC
Originally posted by Meikai They would have lynched me. My penis would not have gone over well with the crowds.
Even were that not the case, it's currently not the 1930s, and until Hitler whisks me away in the magic Nazi Bell-shaped time machine my ability to have power over black men 90 years ago is… temporally constrained. By the arrow of time. You know how it is.
Yeah pulling a cock out in the bedroom is a good way to get killed by most men I think but I was really just curious if you thought there would have been lynchings over trannies back then. Probably not if they knew. -
2023-08-18 at 8:08 PM UTC
Originally posted by Cowboy2013 Yeah pulling a cock out in the bedroom is a good way to get killed by most men I think but I was really just curious if you thought there would have been lynchings over trannies back then. Probably not if they knew.
Honestly, I don't know if there would have been. It seems... plausible. Like, "gay panic" aside, it seems like the kind of thing they'd have legislated against had it been more of an issue. And I suspect the idea of some lascivious queer luring men into sin would have been enough to rile up some crowds to the point of a jailhouse lynching. If not in the 1930s, almost certainly at some point in the half century prior. -
2023-08-18 at 8:09 PM UTC
Originally posted by Meikai Depends. If you believe there are hundreds of mass shootings each year, that's mostly gang violence. Whites definitely have a near monopoly on that particularly fucked up stochastic terroristic kind of mass shooting though. The boys going for a new high score are almost always deracinated "white" amerimutts.
As for rape and pedophilia, whites - as with serial killing - do commit most of the crimes… but then, whites make up most of the population. From what I can find the rates aren't perfectly proportionate to population (to be clear: rates are disproportionately higher - huwhites are naughty), but the same is also true for blacks. I'd be interested in what happens when we control for "white" MENA individuals (we all know who the 'grooming gangs' in the UK and Europe are). 🤷♀️
Is this where the 'systemic' term comes from?
Like if the population were eradicated and we started over with 25 whites 25 blacks 25 Asians and 25 Hispanics (for the sake of simplicity) would all these statistics stay the same evenly or would they change based on 'systemic' stuff.
Or if 1 person of every race was born, isolated from the world, on their own island, how would they be growing up? Would they be predisposed to certain behaviors or would they just have behaviors that later on got disposed onto them?
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2023-08-18 at 8:14 PM UTCSystematic Wokism is far worse and likely to end civilization.
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2023-08-18 at 8:16 PM UTC
Originally posted by mmQ Is this where the 'systemic' term comes from?
Like if the population were eradicated and we started over with 25 whites 25 blacks 25 Asians and 25 Hispanics (for the sake of simplicity) would all these statistics stay the same evenly or would they change based on 'systemic' stuff.
Or if 1 person of every race was born, isolated from the world, on their own island, how would they be growing up? Would they be predisposed to certain behaviors or would they just have behaviors that later on got disposed onto them?
I suck at wording things but do you get what I'm saying?
Hmmmmm. The idea of "systemic _____" would be more that if we restarted society with 25 of each and ran it the way people blaming "systemic" issues for the disproportionate representation in crime statistics want to, we'd see each group committing roughly 25% of every crime (because there's one race: the human race, and we shouldn't observe significant differences in behavior across racial lines without the social/historical/economic pressures that exist in our society).
(Although we'd need more than 25 of each - with a population of 100, we're liable to see some wonky outcomes. Maybe one year 9 asians get busted for selling weed and all of a sudden a HUGE proportion of asians are drug dealers, but obviously that's not really relevant to what you're asking. Just to say that ideally we'd want a ton of each if we were going to compare statistical rates of anything between them.) -
2023-08-18 at 8:23 PM UTC
Originally posted by Meikai Hmmmmm. The idea of "systemic _____" would be more that if we restarted society with 25 of each and ran it the way people blaming "systemic" issues for the disproportionate representation in crime statistics want to, we'd see each group committing roughly 25% of every crime (because there's one race: the human race, and we shouldn't observe significant differences in behavior across racial lines without the social/historical/economic pressures that exist in our society).
(Although we'd need more than 25 of each - with a population of 100, we're liable to see some wonky outcomes. Maybe one year 9 asians get busted for selling weed and all of a sudden a HUGE proportion of asians are drug dealers, but obviously that's not really relevant to what you're asking. Just to say that ideally we'd want a ton of each if we were going to prepare statistical rates of anything between them.)
But maybe that IS relevant to what I'm asking. As soon as the majority proportion of the Asians are drug dealers, people start saying well, wtf, asians are clearly drug dealers. They're the ones doing the most drug dealings. I hate drugs and now I hate asians.
But was it there fault in the first place? Or it was just circumstance to begin with and then things got of hand and then blah blah blah psychological shit and then you get millions of billions of people of their respective races doing the same thing that they by circumstance just happened to do in the first place.
I always defer to the fact it that it just sucks that we're born with brain we are, the race we are, the whatever we are.
If Jiggaboo Johnson was a black man, would he be here as the same person? Would he make be racist against himself? Would he be happy and proud to be who he was? Would he be a good person or a bad person? Would it have ANYTHING to do with him being born black or would he take sole responsibility for how he is? etc etcThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2023-08-18 at 8:24 PM UTCI really do suck at articulating myself when I wish I knew how to. I know what I'm trying to say. askdjflaksdjflkajdlfkasjdflThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2023-08-18 at 8:33 PM UTC
Originally posted by Meikai Hmmmmm. The idea of "systemic _____" would be more that if we restarted society with 25 of each and ran it the way people blaming "systemic" issues for the disproportionate representation in crime statistics want to, we'd see each group committing roughly 25% of every crime (because there's one race: the human race, and we shouldn't observe significant differences in behavior across racial lines without the social/historical/economic pressures that exist in our society).
(I [obviously] contend that this is false and that they'd be committing different amounts of crime based on genetic factors resulting from each group inhabiting different environments for tens/hundreds of thousands of years, but I don't think it's entirely false. Systemic factors are almost definitely confounding variables when it comes to a lot of criminal activities. I'd be incredibly curious to see "to what extent it's nature vs nurture" and just how wrong/right my gut feeling is, but sadly we're probs never gonna get that info.
Thankfully when it comes to racial prejudice it doesn't really matter *why* they're likely to be shittier people, just that they currently are likelier to be shittier people. Whether a perfect stranger is genetically predisposed to steal from me at rates 20% higher than others or socioeconomically predisposed to the same, they're still 20% more likely to steal from me and demanding that I pretend otherwise to flatter their ego is bullshit. Idk.) -
2023-08-18 at 8:33 PM UTC
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2023-08-18 at 8:38 PM UTC
Originally posted by mmQ But maybe that IS relevant to what I'm asking. As soon as the majority proportion of the Asians are drug dealers, people start saying well, wtf, asians are clearly drug dealers. They're the ones doing the most drug dealings. I hate drugs and now I hate asians.
I mean it's "irrelevant" because it's just an artifact of low sample size. Real world populations are large enough that outlier events can't really skew comparison across race like that. If there are only 25 asians, and 9 do a crime one year, there's suddenly a 36% crime rate among Asians. The odds of 9 people ~simultaneously making the same bad decision are a lot better than 9 million doing the same (by sheer chance! completely without some other factor involved - be it systemic or genetic).
Originally posted by mmQ If Jiggaboo Johnson was a black man, would he be here as the same person? Would he make be racist against himself? Would he be happy and proud to be who he was? Would he be a good person or a bad person? Would it have ANYTHING to do with him being born black or would he take sole responsibility for how he is? etc etc
No. Shit, if he had a different hair color he'd probably a meaningfully different person. I'm big on chaos theory I guess, where small changes in initial condition lead to wildly different outcomes.
But uhh... whether he'd be different for genetic or systemic reasons (or both and to what extent), I dunno for sure. Gut feeling is genetics are not insignificant, but systemic effects are more significant. Also don't blame yourself for the articulation thing, I'm a terrible person and skim read in a way that's more akin to not reading so if I'm not *getting it* that's just as likely to be on me. lmaoThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2023-08-18 at 8:45 PM UTC
Originally posted by mmQ If Jiggaboo Johnson was a black man, would he be here as the same person?
No I'd probably be in jail.Would he make be racist against himself?
There are many people in the world who hate themselves and are ashamed of their background.Would he be happy and proud to be who he was?
I'm not happy and proud now.Would he be a good person or a bad person?
Good and bad are social constructions and quite subjective.Would it have ANYTHING to do with him being born black or would he take sole responsibility for how he is? etc etc
Of course, your environment and experiences are what make you "YOU"...that helps confirms there ARE racial stereotypes and differences for all races (breeds..the race moniker is quite wrong)..they are NOT the same.
Likewise if I was born into vast wealth I wouldn't be "me" as I presently am...and I sure as fuck wouldn't be arguing about nogs on the internet...I'm be in Fiji with 3 or 4 20yr old gold diggers. -
2023-08-18 at 8:48 PM UTCI think one of the simplest ways I might look at it as, is. There are a folks who say "man this world would be better if we could just eradicate all the blacks. They cause all the problems."
If those very people who say that, were born black, would they say that? Should it be fair to say that blacks should say to themselves 'wow we really are the problem of the world, lets all kill ourselves as its the right thing to do?" should they be doing that? -
2023-08-18 at 8:56 PM UTC
Originally posted by mmQ I think one of the simplest ways I might look at it as, is. There are a folks who say "man this world would be better if we could just eradicate all the blacks. They cause all the problems."
If those very people who say that, were born black, would they say that? Should it be fair to say that blacks should say to themselves 'wow we really are the problem of the world, lets all kill ourselves as its the right thing to do?" should they be doing that?
I think most people once born black wouldn't say that, because people are (by-and-large) incredibly self interested. But there are some principled individuals who might say the same. I... well, I might, given my performance on the matters of welfare leeches and trans people: I've said before that when the Right Wing Death Squads are going door to door, I'll lead my fellow pieces of shit into the oven for them like a genocidal pied piper. So, maybe I would. Probably.
But most people? Fuck no. Just like most death row inmates are for abolishing the death penalty and Nazis hanged after the Nuremburg trials were probably pretty anti-hanging Aryan ubermenschen.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2023-08-18 at 9:17 PM UTC
Originally posted by mmQ I think one of the simplest ways I might look at it as, is. There are a folks who say "man this world would be better if we could just eradicate all the blacks. They cause all the problems."
If those very people who say that, were born black, would they say that?
Obviously not, but then that's not a reasonable argument against racism.
A similar question could be asked of people on death row...Should the death penalty be ended? I'm pretty sure most on death row would say yes...whereas most of the victims families would say no...who is right?
...the more powerful majority.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2023-08-18 at 9:38 PM UTCthe real raciest people are the people raciest against raciest people
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2023-08-18 at 9:40 PM UTCwe could cure racism just by evaporating all the people who hate america and the 51 constitutions
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2023-08-18 at 9:44 PM UTC
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2023-08-18 at 9:48 PM UTCwell I wasnt implying we should only do it in the usa, I think my way will work world wide,, I mean evaporation only hurts for a second or twoThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2023-08-18 at 9:54 PM UTC
